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Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Maids Cosplaying as Schoolboys are Going to Get Themselves Cancelled by North Korea

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botemp · 20/01/2022 08:51

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Floisme · 10/02/2022 08:31

Uniqlo U is out. I've ordered the men's French Rib Cardigan in olive (although frankly it looks grey from here). Smaller sizes are selling fast by the look of it. It has an inside pocket which sealed the deal. I chose it over both the men's and women's shirt jackets as they looked a bit lightweight - plus the woman's was mainly lyocel harrumph. Also sent for the gaucho trousers in natural although I'm dubious already - I don't mind an elasticated waist if I can wear with a belt but these don't seem to have belt loops. But the shape, fabric and colour are what I'm after so I decided to have a punt.

XingMing · 10/02/2022 10:00

I have had a quick look, but not currently searching for anything... I liked the climbing shorts for summer, but there's unlikely to be a rush for those in February! And came across the men's activewear section which looked very promising.

The +J down jacket is in the sale section, but I would only want it in white (so impractical) and that's sold out in every size except XL, and I think I remember Elle saying the sizes ran huge.

Redandblue11 · 10/02/2022 19:16

I am again in the office and at lunchtime I went out for a quick coffee… in front of me it was an Asian lady (I assume Japanesse) in a pair of trousers that if I would have been able to rip off her and run away with them I would have done it.
Black, perfect pleats, sitting at her waist, enough lovely fabric to create this fluid volume, and finishing at her ankles with a band with buttons (like ‘proper’ gaucho trousers). Absolutely perfect.
In normal circumstances I would have initiated conversation with her, But I was in the queue with my boss and two colleagues from other areas and we were talking business… I know… I probably missed half of the work talk as I was so fixated with those trousers .

quirkychick · 10/02/2022 20:05

Xing, I have the +J down jacket and it indeed very oversized. I am usually M in uniqlo (though some of my coats are S). Mine is a S and I could easily have gone down to an XS. I have the navy, which is a lovely midnight blue.

Trying to catch up with the thread (again) as we've had a couple of tricky weeks chez quirky. Last week dd2 had Covid again, dd1 and dp tested positive too. I felt rough all week, but tested negative. This week, I have had loads of ridiculous SEN paperwork for dd2 and poor dd1 might have to apply to a different sixth form, as they might not do her course after all Sad.

XingMing · 10/02/2022 20:26

Gosh quirky, feeling for you with all that going on; there really is more to life than clothes, even though we all love them. Here, it's about retirement issues, selling a business, elderly parents, health etc. etc. etc. None of it remotely interesting to anyone else, but I now have vast experience of body lotions, if anyone cares..........

I empathise with how red must have felt within touching distance of a person with perfect strides.

Redandblue11 · 11/02/2022 09:21

Oh quirky your poor DD with the dreaded covid for second time. And how stressful for the eldest , has she found an alternative with a course for her?

xing, talking body lotions , what do you use? I am rubbish at that sort of stuff other than I can only use plain stuff. Are you using some specialists lotions or some standard that can be found in boots type thing?
Hope your skin has improved and the rash.

XingMing · 11/02/2022 09:49

red, plain is good when it comes to body lotions. Current preferences are Atoderm, available from bigger Boots branches, or Topicrem, but that has to come from an online para-pharmacie in France. UK pharmacists like liquid-paraffin based stuff; my skin disagrees. The knack is finding the balance between hydration and emollience. improving.

quirkychick · 11/02/2022 14:37

Thanks, red, we are still hoping dd1's current choice of sixth form will do the course and we had a meeting with the headteacher this week, but we have applied to another sixth form in case. It's in another town, so complicates matters. Apparently, the take up of modern languages is declining Sad.

Those trousers are a gorgeous colour, bo, I love all those smoky purples.

quirkychick · 12/02/2022 08:18

I know this is a subject we have talked about before, but it made me think about this thread. How the English generally do not speak very plainly www.ft.com/content/29d360f8-fa26-4ade-adb8-298cb2ee1913 and we should be more like the Dutch.

XingMing · 12/02/2022 12:16

Where's bo when we need her?

Floisme · 12/02/2022 12:32

I can't see that article unfortunately (I'm sure I used to be able to access a few pieces a month from the FT but it seems to have expired). But yeah basically be more bo sounds like a good message.

Sorry to hear about your daughters quirky. I hope the youngest one recovers quickly and I'd definitely get a sixth form application in somewhere else and hold it over the school's head. But there seems to be a terrible shortage of language teachers - I know one who retired several years ago and they still keeping asking her to come back.

Oh Red - watching the perfect trousers walk out of your life and not able to say anything Sad It's like Celia Johnson in 'Brief Encounter'.

My Uniqlo U order has arrived but I can't pick it up until tomorrow - will report back then.

ShangPie · 12/02/2022 12:34

quirky nice article! This summary was shared regularly among my colleagues when working in HK and Shanghai years ago, so I don’t think it’s just an EU / Dutch confusion!

microbius if you’re still looking for long smart-ish trousers, I picked up these MaxMara wool-silk beauties in my local charity shop for £6 ShockGrin but they are too long for my 1.68cm, even when artfully pooled on top of shoes a la bo’s gorgeous silky trouser pics. If you want them (free, trying to declutter not very hard as am buying stuff in charity shops Hmm) just PM me and we can discuss sizing, length etc, and arrange postage! No worries if not, I will either wear them with my chunkiest shoes and try not to drag the hems in the mud, or stick them on Vinted.

Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Maids Cosplaying as Schoolboys are Going to Get Themselves Cancelled by North Korea
Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Maids Cosplaying as Schoolboys are Going to Get Themselves Cancelled by North Korea
ShangPie · 12/02/2022 12:36

On the FT paywall, they allow access to articles via a Google search. It used to be one search per day, not sure if that’s still the limit. Not all paywalled sites offer this Google backdoor access, but seems the FT still does.

Floisme · 12/02/2022 12:39

Ah thanks ShangPie!

WildPoinsettia · 12/02/2022 13:47

Shang Pie love that chart. So true. Those trousers were a bargain! Shame they don't fit.

Quirky English is my first language and yet in almost every conversation I feel I'm translating a foreign language in my head. It's one of the reasons I don't bother with people much. I wish they'd just say what they actually mean.

quirkychick · 12/02/2022 14:27

Those are really funny, Shangpie. When I did English Language 'A' Level we talked a lot about direct and indirect speech. I think I can swap between both, tbh, as the situation arises (I lived in Yorkshire for a whole and dp is definitely direct). I think a lot of English find the direct approach rude. I have similar MaxMara trousers from a charity shop.

Thanks, flo, that is exactly what we have done. Dd1 is visiting the other sixth form after half term. Dd2 is fine, but dd1's asthma is not great post Covid, sadly.

mm47 · 13/02/2022 11:10

Love the chart! I’m Anglo-Dutch via the East Indies and had to learn English double-speak. Growing up I could never understand why I was either being told I was waffling or that my comments were “so interesting” until years later I heard a play on Radio 4 where “how interesting” was said so ironically I at last saw what was really being said…(slow on the uptake) 😉😂

quirkychick · 13/02/2022 12:23

I think the English excel at that skill of being very rude while being extremely polite, really by making the language ultra formal and so unfriendly.

botemp · 13/02/2022 13:37

Hmm this discussion feels like a trap for the Direct Dutchie (I'm not even that direct by Dutch standards) to wade into and make enemies. Btw this site is good for bypassing paywalls, I use it all the time for the NY times recipes which used to be freely available.

I wouldn't suggest being more like me in the UK Flo, considering I think my cultural directness averages at least one (near) xenophobic incident directed at me whenever I'm there. Granted I've always been able to detect British passive aggressive sub speak (I don't really know where/how) and probably suspect to perceive some of it when it isn't always there as a result so that probably doesn't help either.

I would say it isn't an English language thing, it's very specific to the UK (I have different issues with Americans, they always think I'm hilarious Hmm) and it seems tied into the class system. Shangpie's list is very much one for the (highly) educated classes IME, I don't imagine Alan Sugar goes round politely saying something is interesting when it's not and in certain sectors of society calling a spade is a spade is the preference. I also get the sense those that have grown up/working in the UK forces have a separate language and coded words as well that are difficult to understand as an outsider. As a foreigner living in the UK you're probably better off living in ignorance and thinking everyone is just being really nice to you. A Kenyan friend of my mother always echoed what quirky mentioned about being polite to your face but actually being really rude, and often a lot happens behind your back, she loved the directness of the Dutch because she said it may not always be pleasant but at least it's honest and you know where you stood with someone. There's sure to be some middle ground though (but if we're no longer to use 'ducks in a row' per that article I do worry that MN will implode).

The French do it too, to a point, but it's opposite world where things are understated, pas mal is really really good, etc.

In other catch up, quirky hope it works out for your DD and that other DD recovers quickly.

Red I suspect you saw a variation of a hakama trouser, they're a proper Japanese wardrobe staple since forever. My favourite are the ones worn by shrine maidens (how apt on this thread), not really visible in these pics but the original versions have openings at the side so a short kimono can be worn underneath. I've seen a lot of Japanese brands popping up lately, granted it's in small boutiques in France and Belgium, especially the Nico Nicholson and Nicholson brand, not related to Studio Nicholson but there's a bit of aesthetic overlap.

Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Maids Cosplaying as Schoolboys are Going to Get Themselves Cancelled by North Korea
Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Maids Cosplaying as Schoolboys are Going to Get Themselves Cancelled by North Korea
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quirkychick · 13/02/2022 16:38

Not meant to catch you out at all, bo! It probably is class-based or at least in certain social circles. I remember reading that a lot of Americans find very 'polite' uk forms, such as 'would you mind...' or 'could you possibly...' as quite passive aggressive. The Americans friends I knew at university, certainly weren't all that aware when someone had been rude to them.

Thanks for the good wishes. Poor dd1 has had a difficult time with teenage friendship angst, lockdowns, covid and now course issues. We at least have half term to take a breather.

XingMing · 13/02/2022 17:44

Americans have their own private code of linguistic disapproval. 'Quite' among educated Americans means 'extremely' rather than moderately. I know MN thinks the UK has class consciousness hard wired and on speed dial, but I think the US is actually far more rigid socially.

XingMing · 13/02/2022 17:54

I would say that America has possibly the most class-based society of any modern nation, but is more receptive to brilliance.. in it's broadest definition.

Redandblue11 · 13/02/2022 18:47

Oh a language discussion Grin been there on the misunderstanding what the British really meant.

Probably Bo how beautiful the photos of the hakama trousers!

I am annoyed, bored , etc etc as DS tested positive so our half term trip to the snow is now cancelled. I am going to get a large glass of something I think Wine

botemp · 13/02/2022 21:15

Red sorry to hear about your son also having the dreaded COVID and ruining a half term trip.

Speaking of cancelled trips, I contacted MH about their sample sale date. Previously they provided the date well ahead of time but this time they told me to watch the newsletter for the dates. That's usually only a week or so ahead so I think that counts me out for a London meetup unless someone else can pry that information from them with more than a week's notice.

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microbius · 13/02/2022 23:20

ShangPie thank you very much, I am very warmed up [if that's an expression] that I thought about me! Will pm you now