Dated make up

[BelleOfTheProvince]

I'm really confused. On another thread people said wearing eyeliner on the undereye was dated. I wear brown or copper normally around halfway across my eye. I don't want to look like a teenager but is this really dated? What do other people do.
(PS I'm low maintenance so no complicated cat eye type things will work for me!)

I literally look like this without eye liner.

Except not beautiful because I’m not Uma Thurman.

An eyebrow wax/tint and lash lift/tint makes such a difference. I only wear eyeliner for evenings, and even then I sometimes just use eyeshadow and mascara. I agree that lining the lower waterline is very ageing.

Lots of snarky comments on this thread about getting your eyebrows done but there's a world of difference between tinting/henna and HD brows. As an aside, are you very recently married OP..? You seem very concerned by what your husband thinks. It's your face, if you want to get your eyebrows done, do it.

See, even Uma needs some help- I can't think why she went out with a full face of make-up but not even a coat of mascara- it makes her look weird.

No really not very concerned what husband thinks, it's just that we both don't like the eyebrows thing. Possibly everyone we know who does it is doing it wrong so am of the opinion it's not for me. Married a long time, going out since eyeliner was a thing 😂 I am getting my lashes lifted and tinted, but the eyebrows thing so doesn't suit me. Possibly because I am fair. Makes me look very drag queen.
Plenty of snarky 'eyeliner is so dated comment' too. In fact that's why I started this thread because of the disdain shown to eyeliner wearers.

I must have similar colouring to Uma as that's similar to my no mascara/liner look.

lots of the example photos i'm seeing are quite glamorous or night out makeup looks, i think for every day i wouldn't even wear eyeliner. dated or unfashionable doesn't really come into it, i think - if it suits you and accentuates your features, it's perfectly fine. there are exceptions: we can look back and see that super thin brows, flesh coloured lips and super heavy raccoon eyeliner was ugly.

Well due to this thread I went without my smokey under eye look, (I never use eyeliner in the waterline) I’m not convinced it suits me, all I could see were my under eye wrinkles and like a previous poster said I did not feel ‘pretty’ for want of a better word, my eyes are my best feature and I like to enhance them, I felt I looked like a boiled egg, my lashes are just not long and thick enough to carry this look successfully, I would have to wear falsies and I can’t be bothered with the faff of that. I’m not convinced under eye liner is dated, Meghan Markle wears it and looks lovely as does Victoria Beckham so I think I’m in good company!

(I never use eyeliner in the waterline)

I think a lot of people who have deemed it dated are thinking of this. I haven't used black there since around 2003 maybe? White I was a little more reluctant to give up but must've given up naturally as white pencils became less available.

Yes, Meghan looks fresh to me, so there are some stylish modern people still rocking liner.

Just had a quick look at the mail on line and Adele, Victoria, Kylie, are rocking the eyeliner, there is even a breakdown on Kate’s smokey eyes (eyeliner underneath not waterline) at the Earthshot awards.

Celebs are very different though, they wear much heavier make up due to th cameras, their features fade away in pics if they don’t, it doesn’t mean that’s how they wear their make up in their private lives. How a celeb wears make up when they know they will be photographed is always much heavier than they do in real life.

I look better in photos with liner in my waterline but I can't wear eyeshadow along my bottom line it makes me look ill even with a thinly brushed out line.
I didn't know it was dated though , I have hooded eyes and being 47 they look pretty crap with a wing nowadays sadly

I agree with the op there can be a difference between day time make up or evening make up. Day time, unless you’re about to be snapped by the paparazzi is usually lighter, more natural, brighter, evening make up can often be darker,, heavier eye make up etc which could include Adele’s way of doing it, with Smokey eyes and fake lashes, and a lot of liner. She clearly doesn’t run around like that in her day to day life.

@Bluntness100

Celebs are very different though, they wear much heavier make up due to th cameras, their features fade away in pics if they don’t, it doesn’t mean that’s how they wear their make up in their private lives. How a celeb wears make up when they know they will be photographed is always much heavier than they do in real life.

That’s not the point though, we are talking about fashion in make up, not what looks good on camera, if it was a dated look they wouldn’t wear it full stop, be it day, night, in photos or their private lives.

And unless you hang out with Kylie, Adele or Victoria on a regular basis you have no idea if they fancy wearing some eyeliner sometimes in their private lives.

@AmberLynn1536

And unless you hang out with Kylie, Adele or Victoria on a regular basis you have no idea if they fancy wearing some eyeliner sometimes in their private lives.

I think a fantasy dinner party based on eyeliner wearers could be quite fun. Who else could we invite? Johnny Depp is off the guest list though...

This is obviously heavier makeup but she shows doing eyeshadow on the lower lash line which is really helpful

Oh gosh I totally agree, I don't think no liner is a night time look? Like if I was going on a night out or to a party, I would definitely feel bare. I'm still not convinced that no liner works for everyone. And at the end of the day why should we follow fashion? If it will help me knock a few years off, great, but just for fashion??

I can't wear mascara so will continue to smudge a line of eyeshadow on outer third, top and bottom, or my eyes disappear.

I really think that you should just do what suits you best... No point following what is fashionable if it doesn't make the most of your individual features...

Oh OP I am with you 100%. I use liner and cannot get on with using eye shadow at all for lining. I do tightline the top water line with a darker brown. I use a Clarins pencil on lash lines, it has a nice brush on the other end which I buff it out with. I have tried over and over to do the same with eyeshadow. It looks great at first, then after about an hour I look like a panda as its transferred down to my under eye, one day my ds asked me if I had a black eye . (and he notices nothing usually, so it was bad)

I must have the same colouring as you, as if I put nothing at all on the bottom I look like a ghost. I have light eyes and light lashes, so I really don't think this 'don't line rule' applies to everyone.

I only go about a third of the way on lower lash (not on waterline) anyway. But I will experiment again tomorrow and see if I get any remarks from the dc

I have a teenage dd and she hasn't pulled me up for lining the under eye. And she can be BRUTAL at times. So lets see tomorrow

@BelleOfTheProvince

Mousey with blue eyes. In my younger days black looked fairly striking on me, but moved to brown then copper as I got older.

I'm seriously considering asking DH to watch baby whilst I get my lower lashes done on the back of this thread though still not convinced about the eyebrows haha

Do you mean tinting the lower lashes?

My dd has lash tinting every now and then. She is 18 and looks like she's been beaten up for a few days after. The transfer from the lower tint definitely causes her to have the dark under eye look for a few days. So if she is going to do it, she caters in a few days of 'settling in' time.

Just because of that I will never do it. I already have the beaten up look to start with , so that properly put me off.

She is also very fair, so again this might not happen to everyone. But she's been to more than one place and it always seems to happen.

I've had tinting before, you are right there is a bit of a stain after.
But once that is gone my lashes look good, so much better than curler and mascara can achieve alone.

All seems innocent enough, but on a website which generally encourages feminism or at the very least, female autonomy and confidence threads such as these a really confusing.

Page after page of women, pass-aggressively shaming other women for a little bit of colour on their face or eyes, that has to be done a certain way to avoid the dreaded TERRORZ of the AGEING!
Fucking hell ladies, get a hold of this and quit being slaves to ideals which screw you over, time and time again. Who fucking cares if someone wears liner on the inner lid? It's embarrassing.

Oh, and I am a natural blonde with paler lashes and brows. I do wear a smidge of make-up but havent yet begun to punish myself for being pale, or daring to be a 47 yr old woman doing what the fuck I want. I am gonna get older, and am happy to do so. I don't see looking like an old or older woman as remotely negative.

like the farce that was the 'seasalt' thread last week, this shit stinks of shaming and insecurity. I mean who the hell needs to dictate to other women what they should do with their fucking eyeliner?
Whatever you do girls, don't get old!
We love our faux-feminism and girl power but are here, online, teaching our daughters to fucking loathe themselves.

Interesting. Surely this whole section is 'anti feminist' by your criteria. Threads are generally about trends, finds and beauty techniques and yes, looking younger or the best version of you.
I started it because I wanted to see if the general consensus was that eyeliner was dated or not. I am not particularly trend led but wouldn't for example, wear blue eyeshadow because that's definitely of a certain era and other flattering shades are more in fashion.
What this thread does tend to show is that liner is perhaps less popular because a lot of people have mastered make up with powder for softer looks. Which is great for those people, buy I think there will always be a market for it for the less skilled among us.

I don't particularly want to look older than I am. Does that make me a rubbish feminist?

musicforsnorks What a load of militant twaddle. People like to discuss make up trends, maybe get tips for getting out of a rut. I don’t know any woman that doesn’t want to make the best of herself.

Sometimes it takes someone else to gently say that eyeliner you loved in 1990 does nothing for you now.

Good for you for doing what the fuck you want. But style and beauty is usually full of people wanting opinions and advice. It’s be pretty dull if we all responded DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT!