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Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Do not ask the kock about les préservatifs in the food.

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botemp · 16/08/2021 13:29

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microbius · 22/12/2021 16:15

It is really fascinating. Looking at MHL current collection, I would easily want a half of it - by the looks. But in reality it is not so easy to wear; you are in fact quite conscious of wearing it. It feels like I AM WEARING A GARMENT even if it's olive cotton that looks like an army colour and a skirt that i expect to be just throw-it-on

Perhaps its self-evident to you bo

ShangPie · 22/12/2021 17:02

Welcome microbius! I am another recent MHL sampler courtesy of flo and other champions, and bo nails it with ‘engineered casual’. I find the silhouette somewhat different to my normal one so it takes some mental adjustment even when the fit is right - the overall look feels somehow 1940s nostalgic yet timeless. Again, I am 1.68m so fit errors less of an issue. Also, I thought MHL was sized for the Japanese market? I have some Japanese-labelled XL items I picked up in China and they fit a 76-80cm waist (although they are larger through the thigh)

Replying to bo - it’s very much a state-sponsored cancellation a la tennis star Peng Shuai, but without the international attention. All quite worrying, but yet another reason I am glad to leave China behind. I will miss the ex-factory designer sales tho.

Speaking of, any chance you can share the MH sample sale date red? With a bit of notice, I can get to London (Omicron notwithstanding)

ShangPie · 22/12/2021 17:06

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Agreed that MHL feels much less like well-designed wardrobe basics and more as you describe. I’m hoping that it’s something you get the hang of!

botemp · 22/12/2021 17:57

We don't really have a netiquette on here microbius, I think most of us were using MN before the app/@-ing thing was introduced so we're just a bit old school. I've turned the atting notifications off so I don't get upset by them. I occasionally use them myself when a new poster has a difficult username.

Yes, agree with others, MHL is definitely not basics, the mainline is more of a quality basic range but even that has small design quirks that sets it apart but in general they work better as foundation pieces in a wardrobe.

MH sample sales, under non COVID conditions was always the third week of March and September, starting either Wednesday or Thursday iirc. They're really late in announcing them, like the week before but I did email them about a month ahead once and they were able to confirm the date. I'd love to come to the March 2022 one but I suspect the UK will be closed to me at that point. They tend to announce it on their newsletter, it's always at the Music Rooms though, maybe they announce it sooner in their Comms. There's also a permanent MH outlet store just behind Oxford Street, it's not as bargainous as the sample sale though, but maybe during the sales period they are?

I can imagine it's nice to be away (and have full access to the internet again) Shangpie. I was offered a swanky job there straight out of graduation, far too high a position for someone just out of uni, but too many bad experiences of others put me off and as much as I've enjoyed traveling in China I don't think I'd have settled well there. I don't know if I'm completely off but I do get the sense it's close to or already over its peak and the house of cards is at risk of falling over atm. I get the sense there's a lot of debts to live these spend spend spend lifestyles. Is it like in South Korea where you're continually robo called to sign up for all sorts of loans and credits?

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Floisme · 22/12/2021 18:28

This is really interesting and it's making me think about something I'd kind of just taken a liking to on instinct. But yes, I agree MHL and the main Margaret Howell label aren't just 'top end basics'. It's very much 'A Look' and one that isn't to everyone's taste. I'd say Joseph was more about well made, high quality basics (but I don't know it well, that's just from the odd piece). Maybe Max Mara and Agnes b too although again I've not seen much of either in real life.

microbius · 22/12/2021 20:17

ShangPie you are right about the 40s- even 30s. I've just found this pic. Could be MH trousers!

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microbius · 22/12/2021 20:28

Floisme I once tried to buy a coat going starting with all high end shop on Regents street and then widening the circle and MaxMara just made me lough, so hopelessly short sleeves, I had no chance.

Agnes B as I found as well as with APC as well I have to buy 42 for my hips which makes me feel a big woman! I can fit into 38 scandi brands, 40 max. I think I even had to buy 44 with APC. Nice flowing trousers but not basic, more work or event like. And there is something too large about them in that size. I am also still to see an Agnes B that would for good for sitting in a sandpit - it is very Parisian, for strolling around cobbled streets dropping kids at the creche

XingMing · 22/12/2021 21:40

As a shortarse, I've always liked the MaxMara fit but in general clothes buying for my life, I find mid-to high end German or Austrian brands work well for me at 65. They have an assumption that clothes need to go in the washing machine and emerge unscathed.

Having not bought anything high necked for more than 20 years, post breast reduction I long for a navy polo-neck jersey. I tried one yesterday in the post frock shop, and loved it -- just not at full price. So will take a skid and wait for next week when it will be 20% less, and in the meantime I have bought something else on the same lines at about 50% of the cost.

Currently pondering what I should take away for five days over the holiday to be festive, and walk XingDog, without packing a huge suitcase. I'm saving space for all the skin treatments I still have to have close at hand. And I'm going to a hard water area from a soft one, which presents its own challenges.

Floisme · 23/12/2021 09:49

microbius I've been looking at your trousers and jacket pic and my first thought was of this model on the MH website. (This is also pretty much exactly how I'd like to look at the moment Ha ha!) But when I look again the shapes are different - your trousers are slightly flared and your jacket looks like it goes in at the waist, whereas on the website they both look pretty straight up and down to me. I don't think your pic looks 'wrong' but maybe that, in addition to the fit issues, is why it's bugging you?

I think a lot of wide leg trousers in the early noughties had a bit of a flare and were low waisted and fitted around the arse, whereas the current crop are straighter, higher rise, often pleated and drop straight off the arse, which is much more an 80s thing. I've got some wool wide legs from Jigsaw circa 2005 that are similar and I can't decide whether to hang on to them or get them altered.

It's interesting because I tend to think pretty much any shape works for jeans and trousers at the moment but I'm not sure it's true in this case.

ShangPie I really enjoyed your posts on Chinese influencers - I'm not a fan of that profession but quite shocking.

Red I love those trousers you posted a page back.

Floisme · 23/12/2021 10:18

Pssst there are one or two +J reductions including that red cashmere jumper - was that you bo?
Don't worry - not the gaulottes and, even if they were reduced, I'm bored now hearing myself talking about them.

botemp · 23/12/2021 12:25

Thanks Flo, it's the other red cashmere jumper that I'd maybe consider, but I spotted the silk shirt is reduced. Not by much though, I'll hold my nerve. I'm also still thoroughly annoyed with their customer service, they never replied to me so I'm really reluctant to order with them again (they processed my return without issue though).

Microbius, don't discount Max Mara as being for short arses, if you buy in their boutique all the trousers are unhemmed to cater to very long lengths and they do the hemming for free.

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Redandblue11 · 23/12/2021 15:22

I cannot remember who asked the dates of the MH sample sale but Bo replied (end March typically the next one). Wouldn’t it be great that we do a petit parisienne meet up at that time … but like bo not hugely optimistic right now.
We are old fashioned and tend not to use the @here … I didn’t know there was an app even!!
microbius as an example I got two pairs of MH trousers (main line not MHL) at £65 each on the sample sale, the quality, cut , all of it perfect, admittedly completely different to the ones you posted but in the sale there different models and I tried loads till I found ones that suited me. I was wearing them when I went into Joseph a way back and the shop keeper really complemented me about the trousers.
At the time in the sale they didn’t have any good shirts or coats on my size otherwise would have grabbed that too.

Oh exciting Xing! Going away for a few days with family and xingdog, I assume you have lovely scarf and hats to look festive and feel nice? You have mentioned navy blue polo neck and made me want one … I really imagine you would look great on one, navy suits you.

microbius · 23/12/2021 21:50

ShangPie your description of Chinese influencers was very interesting, I'd love to know more.

Thanks, Floisme, I looked at that pic tens of times. That is an oversized jacket, my jacket is fitted as usual. And my trousers became flared (although look more flared than in reality on the pic) when I made them longer. I think I will take the hem in in a few places. Maybe at the back of the leg.

Xing I will ask you for some pointers when I next go to Germany. Do you buy there?

Today, I went round London. Feeling so sick of monotony and routine and also fearful of lockdown (and feeling quite protected as had covid and then booster, so was emboldened); just trying to feel a bit more Christmassy. I went to some of the charity shops around Chelsea linked in your opening post. I can report Oxfam Boutique is still good and I bought a skirt there for £20. Quite formal, thin wool, straight knee length with pleats at the waist - I think I'll get a few wears of it. The rest of charity shops around Kings road is not worth going in for.

I also went and looked at MH pieces for real and tried all the trousers and skirts. And some shirts. The best trousers (and the skirt) without doubt are the most expensive 100% wool ones (trousers I think are already sold out online). It is absolutely true that bar super-long trousers all others are way too short on me. I also have to say, MH is a demanding designer. The shop assistant was obviously dressed entirely in MH and I can't say she looked very good. Maybe specific pieces didn't suit her, or colours, but that was weird. It didn't make me want to be dressed like her.
The jumpers that are not cashmere are very itchy. It was interesting to see trousers from linen wool. I didn't know about this material before. It does look like linen and made me question whether it would crease like linen...

I also have a favour to ask, if anyone can recommend, I think I am ready to buy a sewing machine. Preferably I'd like to buy second hand but need to know what to look for. I don't know much about contemporary ones, only the ones from my childhood where you needed a different machine to do buttonholes, and a different one to sew jersey. I imagine now you can have all in one?

I think my first project will be linen pyjamas for me and family; and any recommendation where to get really nice linen fabric would be greatly appreciated.
And also, where does one get pyjama patterns. I saw a link to the Finnish patterns journal here recently, - what about pretty basic things, like pyjamas? Many thanks!!!

microbius · 23/12/2021 21:52

redandblue £65 for MH trousers! I hope by March we will be emerging out of whatever is going to happen, either scarred or unscarred. Really hopefully looking forward

CatherineMaitland · 23/12/2021 22:31

Hello everyone and welcome, microbius.

I have been missing for ages due to work, house move, family-broken-bones, and lately a car smash up (all are fine, but the car has gone to car heaven).

I haven't caught up yet, but I just wanted to stop by and send you all good Christmas wishes. Hope you have a lovely few days whatever you are doing!

botemp · 24/12/2021 08:37

Happy Christmas to you too Catherine and everyone 🎄 Sorry to hear about the car but I'm glad to hear you're okay, a lot less replaceable than a car after all. Lovely to hear from you again.

Microbius, I agree the charity shops around King's Road are very disappointing, everyone on this board always goes on about them as if they're some sort of holy grail of charity shops but that wasn't my experience. Maybe if you live/work nearby and can frequent them often you have more luck? I thought Pimlico had the best charity shop offerings when I was last in London doing the charity shops, but I'm too much of a lazy fucker and just head straight to the consignment shops instead, Pandora's has my highest hit rate but there's a few others I like too.

I don't own any non cashmere knitwear from Margaret Howell but I have seen it, the itchiness will go, it's one of those quality in the long term things, if you make it softer you lose some of its strength, only certain types of wool are not itchy naturally.

In terms of sewing machines, definitely Bernina for a secondhand one, the mechanical models (electric but without a computer) from the late 80s/early 90s are the holy grails and as a stitching machine will outperform the new ones, the 930 or 1020 model being the most coveted ones. You can get one of the sister numbers for less (910, 931, 1030, etc) but they'll have less bells and whistles. It's mostly decorative stitching and you can do buttonholes, etc. Husqvarna and Pfaff also make good old machines but I don't know model numbers, just avoid any with a computer plate in because this is the thing that'll break down and be difficult to replace. Also, preferably buy from a dealer or at the very least one that has a record of being regularly serviced, if they've been sitting in a cupboard and fed the wrong oil it could be an expensive mistake. I don't have much advice on a new one, I have a cheap newer one (it's probably twenty years old by now but it was bought new as a present and only recently getting any frequent use) and it's fine for just straight things but it struggles through layers of thick fabric, but it hasn't hindered me much. Now I that I'm more serious about sewing I'm on the lookout for an old Bernina but finding one from the right year to have specific function with all the useful additional feet, accessories at the right price from a trusted seller is a bit of a waiting game. The new ones have all sorts of bells and whistles and make life easier in a way (self threading, fully automatic buttonholes, etc) but I find most of the fancier models are aimed at quilters, for clothes you really don't use much more than a straight stitch or the occasional zig zag, an old trundle Singer would still do the job.

Flo is more in the know with pattern companies than I am as I prefer to draft my own. For pyjamas for the whole family I wouldn't recommend self drafting that to someone new to it but I would encourage you to in the long term as most patterns will have the same fitting issues you have with regular clothes. If you're making trousers that are not ridiculously basic and need more length for example just adding a few inches doesn't always work, position of the knee, seat height, etc. would all ideally be adjusted to your measurements and when you start altering a pattern that much you may as well start from scratch with a self drafted basic block that you can use over and over again and a good patterning book. One thing I also dislike about some patterning companies is that they assume you'll have/use an overlocker for seam finishes and either offer shoddy alternatives like just a zig zag or none at all. The whole point of making things myself for me is that I can create things of higher quality than in a factory, make hand finishes that take forever. Home sewing is not something you can do on the cheap, it's really cost and time inefficient. I spend a lot of time on it and enjoy the process of it all but I don't want something that's quite rough looking on the inside as a result, I don't particularly like the look of overlocked seams either so don't want to own an extra machine either.

I have heard that the Eastwood pyjama trousers for men are very popular with spouses/partners of a lot of sewers (I'm sure there are some male sewers who like them for themselves too).

In terms of linen, you'll want to get some that have been softened, like a stonewash finish because otherwise it will itch like mad before you manage to soften it with wear and washing and beyond a cute family photo I doubt anyone will want to wear it again. Not too heavy a weight 120-175g ish. Nothing beats shopping in person, linen is very sustainable and you can get locally produced if you look for it. I swear by Libeco linen as that's somewhat local to me but I think in the UK you should look at the Northern Ireland producers. I'm trying to remember the name of one that works for a lot of big retail companies and they have a consumer site, McB something, someone on here will know who I mean.

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botemp · 24/12/2021 08:51

Forgot to mention my Zara order came in yesterday, hadn't anticipated a high success rate with it, the cashmere dress is better than I anticipated, it's really punching above its weight on the high street. I've tried on a few others at much more money from designer brands and they all felt flimsy this one is really substantial and feels amazingly comforting on. It's a little different as it's undyed (I'm guessing this is the sustainable aspect of it). It's this one in case anyone wants to stalk it in the sale (I got it at half off), it's also an elusive length on me between midi and maxi which looks great with Bottega Veneta style boots.

There's another knit black dress I really like but I failed to notice a substantial part of it is nylon so I'm dithering over that. And the other one I'm dithering over is a summer dress. Fourth was a wool knit dress but that's been rejected for being too flimsy.

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Floisme · 24/12/2021 09:01

CatherineMaitland lovely to hear from you. So sorry you've been in the wars again - at least the house move went through in the end. Come back and tell us the full story when you've move time.

Elle you asked me a couple of pages back what I had my eye on in the MH sale. It's very much a longlist at the moment but I'm trying to resist all the lush tweeds (which will be out of price range anyway, even in the sale) and focus more on the interesting basics - trying to be more Xing! So stuff like the shirt-jackety things in linen and cotton drill and the T shirts. It also depends on whether I go in early or hold my nerve until the final reductions when there won't be as much choice. I might avoid anything wool after seeing Microbius's report! I've got one wool jumper of hers and it feels fine but it was second hand so perhaps had been worn in, plus I was brought up on very scratchy shetland wool so maybe I'm hardened to it.

Mocrobius my machine is a Brother - I'll have to check the model. I hung out on a few sewing forums before I bought it, and toyed with going for a second hand Bernina, but I decided I didn't know enough for the second hand trade. One piece of advice I thought was very sound was to buy from a local dealer in case of problems but this cut down my choices as we only have one dealer for miles around and they sold mostly Janone and Brother so that was that. I'm pretty happy with it - feels a bit flimsy compared to the one I had when I was young but there are advantages to that and it's fairly straightforward to use.

I use mostly Merchant and Mills and Makers Atelier patterns - not sure if they do pyjamas. So far I've mostly bought fabric locally but the last time I was in London (ages ago) I went to Crescent Trading off Brick Lane which is an old school cloth merchants and they had some high end fabrics (although not a huge about of linen) at very reasonable prices. It was really interesting place too, not sure if they're still going but I hope they are,. Also the Cloth Shop on Portobello Rd had a lot of linens. I think they're still going although they might have moved.

There's also an art and crafts board on Mumsnet (which I didn't know about when I was buying my machine) which might be able to advise.

This is either going to be a very quiet or an insanely busy day so, if I don't get round to posting again, have a happy Christmas everyone Xmas Smile

Floisme · 24/12/2021 09:35

Are you thinking of Baird Mcnutt for Irish linen bo? Where I famously failed to notice they sold to the general public Grin? I've still not tried them as (no surprise) I really prefer buying fabric in real shops but it does mean I miss out in choice and quality.

Floisme · 24/12/2021 09:51

I like that dress by the way bo and interesting to hear Zara are punching above their weight. A sign of a change in direction I wonder, or just Zara being their usual random selves?

Ok I'm really going now.

botemp · 24/12/2021 10:31

Yes Baird Mcnutt, that's the one, I knew it vaguely sounded like a porn name Blush This is their consumer site and these ones in the specials corner look like nice pj patterns but otherwise the lightweight shirting ones will probably work. If you can get fabric samples ahead of time that's probably the most useful, most online fabric stores offer them, sometimes things have the right weight but they're quite transparent anyhow.

Flo it's just that dress punching above its weight and that's a special edition thing. Zara has always been 99% crap but it's worth ploughing through it to get the 1% exceptions. I think if they put their mind to it they could be punching above their weight across the board, if Cos can do it, it isn't impossible but I think Zara's main target audience remains the copy cat what's trending in high end fashion kind so it's unlikely to change unless that changes. And I hold little hope for that, I recently fell down the fashion reps subreddit. I innocently thought it was something to do with fashion representatives, inside information or something but the reps stands for replicas, it's all users recommending fake stuff to each other, huge hauls of clothes, shoes and bags that look really real. It was so disheartening, never mind the copyright infringement by people who profess to love fashion, it's the whole funding of terrible crime organisations. There's a bit of a grey area with the same factories producing overstock or selling off seconds but I doubt this was any of that.

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microbius · 24/12/2021 11:35

bo and flo many many thanks, you'd saved me days of research! I sewed as a teenager (did a decent shirt once) but I wouldn't know where to start with doing my own pattern.

flo I also tried a garden shirt in MHL; it is exceptionally wide. I can fit into 10 in the top half of my body, but normally need 12 for width of shoulders, and in MH for that shirt I fit into XXS (was still quite wide in the sides, but sat badly in the shoulders), XS was good fit. S was already too big - formed real flaps at the sides of the trunk. And I never buy S. I liked it not he website but it is just way too wide in RL. Maybe this is useful info

botemp · 24/12/2021 11:55

Yeah, definitely work up to patterns, as a teenager I mostly took apart existing clothes and reworked those patterns but lost interest soon. The only patterns available were Burda and that was so not cool to a teenager. Then I only made curtains on my sewing machines. I have looked at sewing patterns since but I'm rather resentful of the asking prices, my thinking was if I can draft building plans (I'm an architect) surely I can draft clothing patterns, and it has paid off for me but I would say it's like another hobby alongside sewing. I'm quite happy for it being a slow hobby, with patterns and an overlocker I could probably churn out a new garment weekly but I don't really see the fun in that but I appreciate for some it is, especially if you're making children's clothes which aren't going to last long. At my pace a child would have outgrown whatever I was making them by the time it's done 😂

I've heard people talk scathingly about Tilly and The Buttons and her patterns for being too basic but as I understand it they're good for beginners and YouTube is really helpful with any issues you come across. Basic will be to your advantage as you can easily adjust length where something with a more advanced design would potentially require reworking. I'm sure they have pj patterns. I think Flo also made a really nice 'relaxed' shirt from The Fold Line that they also market as a pyjama shirt, they also do an elasticated trousers that matches well with it but word of warning they're a lot more expensive than most patterns but Flo produced a really nice shirt with it so they're probably worth the premium.

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botemp · 24/12/2021 11:59

Having just googled The Fold Line, I'm second-guessing myself, I think it's another sewing pattern company Flo used but I can't recall the name now.

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botemp · 24/12/2021 12:04

My brain reconnected and remembered the right name, it's Makers Atelier, here's the blog post on the pyjamas from two of their patterns.

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