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Why would you even WANT to copy the Parisienne look?

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GoldfishParade · 15/12/2020 05:56

Just think it's interesting when you see threads but also newspaper articles etc about the "French" look and specifically the Parisian look - a kind of understated elegant style, I get it.

But honestly, having lived in France for a decade now (in six cities in different regions) I really think this is a bit of a misplaced myth, in the same way that in France in some crowds there can be a bit of glamourising around "le gentleman so British". Sure, when you're in london you may very occasionally see some really dapper looking men wearing those big beige overcoats (what are they called by the way? The big flappy things they wear over suits? Like a kind of trench coat?).

But by and large whenever I go back to the UK I genuinely find British women dress better, with more snap, in outfits that have more interest. What I've learnt from my time here is that the whole understated elegance thing doesnt necessarily stem from wanting to look effortless, it's actually about not wanting to stand out from the crowd. I remember a friend asking me if I thought her shoes were too "m'as tu vu" (flashy). They just weren't black. In fact you barely ever see coats here that arent black, grey, or beige. Teenagers basically look no different from their parents. Fashion doesnt really happen at all. I think in the 10 years I've been here nothing has really changed, its still jeans, delicate trainers, a Longchamp handbag and a trench, just like Mum. Maybe the jeans got slightly wider lately; that's all.

It always seems to me theres some fabulous styled women in the UK, "even" outside London. I see "even" because outside of Paris, in the French "provinces" thing start to go downhill quite rapidly IMO.

So why does the French thing continue to inspire? I honestly think in the UK you are freer to experiment, you have more choice, and people by and large look pretty rocking. Maybe the trend for heavy makeup could be toned down a bit, also the fillers trend (from what I'm reading) in the UK is a bit shocking.

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Janegrey333 · 15/12/2020 23:46

I hate the word “tops”.

midscram · 16/12/2020 00:00

Gentrification has a lot to answer for. Both central London and Manhattan have been gentrified to a pretty extreme level, this always makes fashion boring. Paris too, come to think of it.

Yes!

Internet shopping and Instagram have also led to greater uniformity I think.

YES!!

midscram · 16/12/2020 00:03

I do think in general that French, Italian, Scandi men are so much more stylish that the average man here. Yes we do suits well but that's not really for the average man

midscram · 16/12/2020 00:06

I visited NY & was very disappointing no one dresses like Carrie or Samantha.

PickAChew · 16/12/2020 00:09

@Jemenfouscompletement

I've lived in France for 20 years in the provinces and haven't noticed a lot of elegance or chic in the way most people dress. People have got considerably fatter and dress for comfort rather than style now. I can still spot an English person, it isn't just the clothes, it is the physical appearance and facial expressions too, DH (French) notices it too. British women definitely wear more make-up, as stated by other posters French women are more reserved in their appearance and if they make a lot of effort it is for understated elegance. No orange tan, big slug eyebrows, over straightened hair or really short skirts that I've noticed....yet!
No orange tan, big slug eyebrows, over straightened hair or really short skirts that I've noticed....yet!

I don't identify with any of that. OK, so I do recognise the straightening trend (I'm wavy and proud) but the last time I wore make up was on my wedding day, over 16 years ago.

PickAChew · 16/12/2020 00:11

I googled train train and got national rail enquiries 🤔

GoldfishParade · 16/12/2020 04:01

@PickAChew
It means kind of boringly workaday. 🤣

Re influencers - Other than the eternal Garance Doré I've heard of Adenorah and Caroline Receveur but am not really "in the know".

The other great thing that France does is pharmacies. Going to a pharmacy here is quite a beautiful experience I find. It smells kind of medical and cosmeticky, and you have all these midrange brands, some well known, some obscure - I dont need to tell you guys you know what it's like! It just feels nice. And then you get a fistful of samples if the pharmacist likes you.

I remember a French ex visiting me in the UK and looking really confused as we entered Boots. He said "why is there chocolate in a pharmacy?". Hadnt really thought of it before but - good point!

I like both for different reasons. Boots is a great all rounder experience that I sometimes miss, but the simple ritualistic feel of a French pharmacy is great. I miss UK prices and ease sometimes - like being able to grab a pack of hair bands for 80p or whatever.

Love the French pharmacy products like Biafine which a woman from the south f france told me she used on her skin all year round. Only heard about A313 cream a few days ago and DEFINITELY have to try this!!!! Apparently a pharmacy retinol cream thats only €7?!

(Aside: I love all cheeses and English cheeses are great but French cheeses have to win! Epoisses anyone?!)

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GoldfishParade · 16/12/2020 04:13

Oh I just have to have a mini morning rant about a thing I dont get: PUFFER JACKETS. Even the word is gross. And in French too: the word is "doudoune".

They seem to be a casual coat staple here - the vast majority, men and women, seem to have a puffer jacket and I think its British equivalent would be a parka. Except at least parkas look kind of grungy, puffer jackets....I just hate them! 😂

I had a university teacher who you would have loved to see: she was great. She had bright red dyed hair, she was in her 50s and very tall and skinny and wore as much colour as you could handle. BRIGHT tailored trousers and massive statement jewellery. She also had an ankle length purple puffer jacket.

Puffer jackets seem to be a thing across the continent, I remember going to a pub with my italian housemate and his spanish and italian friends and they were sitting there shivering in their doudounes as the local lasses strutted their stuff in lamé mini dresses and bare legs 🤣

Wonder about Scandinavia though? 🤔

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Jemenfouscompletement · 16/12/2020 06:47

Puffas are everywhere in the shops, but I don't see a huge amount worn except for the smaller thinner version (like JOTT brand).
Train train - everyday, drudge (Monoprix is more of an exceptional shopping experience, at least if you live in the provinces as all the shops are in larger town/city centres.

PeppermintSoda · 16/12/2020 06:48

I guess the pharmacy part of Boots is only one section of it as you have Opticians, gifts, food, photo printing etc as well.

midscram · 16/12/2020 07:02

I think Puffer jackets/coats have been a thing in the UK for yrs. They are practical, keep you warm & lightweight. I also think the Spanish & Italians have long been fans. .

TheVanguardSix · 16/12/2020 07:08

It is all about the silhouette and the fabrics. A trench from Primark won't fall the way a Michael Kors one does, for example.
It's not about the dress or the colours. It's about how it falls and fabric quality. That's what gives a look its 'zing'.
Simple Chic is the French look and it's timeless and beautiful and streamlined. It looks good. Don't knock it.

TheVanguardSix · 16/12/2020 07:11

Love the French pharmacy products

Me too! I miss French and Italian pharmacies. A trip to Boots or even the local chemist isn't the same.
I like German pharmacies as well. There's a real homeopathic approach to good health that we don't really 'do' here in the UK. It's there, but it's not an integral part of our self-care.

newstart1234 · 16/12/2020 07:23

The popular puffer jackets here make almost an ‘o’ shape round the body going all the way to the ankles rather than knee/above the knee length. They seem exactly like a puffer duvet. Karki green or mustard colour. It’s not uncommon at all to see adults wear all in one ‘termotøj’, like a ski suit, in everyday wear. They are tough nylon-y type material things that are an absolute essential for the under 10s. They protect the body from the outside but I believe it’s also about protecting the indoors from the outdoors also. When people go inside (school, home, friends houses) you take a layer off your whole body I believe it’s to keep the inside clean and tidy - which is, in my experience, the way houses/offices/ schools are kept round here. No outdoor mess, shoes and outer clothes left in a boot room. Everyone has a responsibility to keep the indoor clean and these clothes facilitate that. There are no ‘indoor/outdoor’ spaces like balconies, terraces, courtyards, I’ve found in warmer countries. It’s fascinating how these things interact, even the egalitarian accessibleness of style mentioned previously.

Mominatrix · 16/12/2020 07:38

I love the idealised style of all countries - French style, British style, American Style (s), Scandi style (yes, Scandinavia is not a country, I know), Italian Style.

No, most people in those countries don't dress in the manner described, but each represents something of the culture of those countries and I'll be sad when they merge into one generic style with increased globalisation. I hope that does not happen.

I have to say that my favourite style is the idealised East Coast American, probably because it is the one I grew up with and represents me best. Babe Paley, Slim Keith, Grace Kelly, Ralph Lauren, Thom Browne, and my personal favourite - Jenna Lyons. I describe it as eclectic preppy - casual but tailored, simple but ornamental, classic and trendy at the same time. Wearable, versatile. I guess you can describe Parisian style the same way, but ECA style is brighter and more casual.

On another topic, I am loving Marisa Coulter's style in His Dark Materials. Even my DS commented to me "Mum, she is very elegant, don't you think?"

Deathraystare · 16/12/2020 07:48

I have only been over for weekends but have to say I think they (French Women) are mainly quite boringly dressed. I think we are much more individual - ok most teen girls are very yellow/orange foundation toned with big marker pen brows and trout pouts but the older women I think look good. I just wish in both countries there was more colour around. Not everyone suits beige - it is ageing on me - I look like a sick old woman- or black. I suit colour!

The only chic women I saw in Paris were the Africans and the Orientals.

banivani · 16/12/2020 07:56

In Sweden you wear

  • Canada Goose are not the trend anymore but there is a certain section of the population who will go bananas over something extremely warm and sensible and make it a trend and then wear them with Converse or similarly ludicrous shoe
  • better wool coats or trendier puffer jackets if you live in a big city (think Filippa K, Arket)
pinkhousesarebest · 16/12/2020 08:06

I’ve lived in France for 23 years, first in Paris and now in another French city. AGree it is a lot more restrained - I have a teen ds and there are no vagaries of fashion choice there ( thank God). I was a terrible overspender before coming here. I definitely have assimilated less is more over the years - as long as your bag, coat and shoe game is strong, you can go anywhere.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 16/12/2020 08:13

I know it's no help at the moment, but Selfridges has an amazing range of French pharmacy products. I loathe everything else about Selfridges but the pharmacy section is fabulous.

StCharlotte · 16/12/2020 08:15

[quote GoldfishParade]@PickAChew
It means kind of boringly workaday. 🤣

Re influencers - Other than the eternal Garance Doré I've heard of Adenorah and Caroline Receveur but am not really "in the know".

The other great thing that France does is pharmacies. Going to a pharmacy here is quite a beautiful experience I find. It smells kind of medical and cosmeticky, and you have all these midrange brands, some well known, some obscure - I dont need to tell you guys you know what it's like! It just feels nice. And then you get a fistful of samples if the pharmacist likes you.

I remember a French ex visiting me in the UK and looking really confused as we entered Boots. He said "why is there chocolate in a pharmacy?". Hadnt really thought of it before but - good point!

I like both for different reasons. Boots is a great all rounder experience that I sometimes miss, but the simple ritualistic feel of a French pharmacy is great. I miss UK prices and ease sometimes - like being able to grab a pack of hair bands for 80p or whatever.

Love the French pharmacy products like Biafine which a woman from the south f france told me she used on her skin all year round. Only heard about A313 cream a few days ago and DEFINITELY have to try this!!!! Apparently a pharmacy retinol cream thats only €7?!

(Aside: I love all cheeses and English cheeses are great but French cheeses have to win! Epoisses anyone?!)[/quote]
Our Surrey High Street is the usual mix of estate agents, charity shops and nail bars BUT we have the most amazing Pharmacy which is like it's been transplanted from France. It's next to my office and I'm in there at least once a week. In fact we have two although the second one is more clinical.

Divebar · 16/12/2020 08:29

Our Surrey High Street

Ooh! Well it’s clearly not my Surrey High Street.... ( I have the charity shops that turned up Vivienne Westwood shoes and a Jean Muir skirt). May I ask are you inside or outside the M25? @StCharlotte - although to be fair I wouldn’t know what to buy.

Juancornetto · 16/12/2020 09:42

I wonder whether the fact that we're one of the few countries where you have to wear a school uniform is part of the reason that so many Brits rebel against classic dressing.

Sasuma · 16/12/2020 09:47

@Gwenhwyfar

"We’re not strictly a British household in that I’m Danish, but yes, that is how we eat. We do like a lot of variety and take our inspiration from many different cuisines. We’ve had Korean stew this week, and will have at least one Indian meal this week and possibly one with a Middle Eastern influence as well."

Yes, but is it usual was my question. Does the average person do this? Curry, yes, but Mexican? It's only very recently arrived in restaurants in the UK.

Mexican food has only recently arrived? Where do you live @Gwenhwyfar? Round this way it’s been popular for at least a decade if not more.
praepondero · 16/12/2020 09:50

J'adore French Chic, the deceptive simplicity and 'thrown-togetherness' of it that took hours to achieve. It's a form of art.
Despite being size 8/10 and 5'8'' I still feel a Heffalump when in Paris. I doubt going down a size or two will change it as my Nordic bone structure is not petite nor particularly delicate. Sad
I shall continue to admire from afar.

Sasuma · 16/12/2020 09:51

Actually I think I remember my parents cooking basic Mexican inspired food like burritos when I was a kid so I think it must be at least two decades that Mexican food has been popular....