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Why would you even WANT to copy the Parisienne look?

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GoldfishParade · 15/12/2020 05:56

Just think it's interesting when you see threads but also newspaper articles etc about the "French" look and specifically the Parisian look - a kind of understated elegant style, I get it.

But honestly, having lived in France for a decade now (in six cities in different regions) I really think this is a bit of a misplaced myth, in the same way that in France in some crowds there can be a bit of glamourising around "le gentleman so British". Sure, when you're in london you may very occasionally see some really dapper looking men wearing those big beige overcoats (what are they called by the way? The big flappy things they wear over suits? Like a kind of trench coat?).

But by and large whenever I go back to the UK I genuinely find British women dress better, with more snap, in outfits that have more interest. What I've learnt from my time here is that the whole understated elegance thing doesnt necessarily stem from wanting to look effortless, it's actually about not wanting to stand out from the crowd. I remember a friend asking me if I thought her shoes were too "m'as tu vu" (flashy). They just weren't black. In fact you barely ever see coats here that arent black, grey, or beige. Teenagers basically look no different from their parents. Fashion doesnt really happen at all. I think in the 10 years I've been here nothing has really changed, its still jeans, delicate trainers, a Longchamp handbag and a trench, just like Mum. Maybe the jeans got slightly wider lately; that's all.

It always seems to me theres some fabulous styled women in the UK, "even" outside London. I see "even" because outside of Paris, in the French "provinces" thing start to go downhill quite rapidly IMO.

So why does the French thing continue to inspire? I honestly think in the UK you are freer to experiment, you have more choice, and people by and large look pretty rocking. Maybe the trend for heavy makeup could be toned down a bit, also the fillers trend (from what I'm reading) in the UK is a bit shocking.

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Floisme · 18/12/2020 18:23

Going to get controversial now but we're all adults - who does the best cakes / puddings?

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 18/12/2020 18:25

@Floisme

Going to get controversial now but we're all adults - who does the best cakes / puddings?
Cakes - UK

Puddings - France

Biscuits - it's a draw.

GoldfishParade · 18/12/2020 18:30

The french pastries are just beautiful, when you go into the patisseries and see the beautiful rows of glazed....I dont even know the names of them all, I dont have a massive sweet tooth. But eve the basics like eclairs and macarons and the lemon meringue tartlets and it's just so beautiful and refined and so much flavour in there. Its pretty exquisite and frankly pretty unbeatable.

What I would say is that the french do pastries way better, but the brits really do better when it comes to cake. Even when they try and do a sponge or a carrot cake it's just too dry. I think the UK does thick, moist sponges and rich creamy icings and toppings way better.

But based on the fact that there's more craft involved in these intricate pastries, and theres more beauty involved in eating one (I know that sounds wanky but hopefully you know what I mean): I will give this one to the French.

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GoldfishParade · 18/12/2020 18:33

Look what I bought from a patisserie. They are "marrons glacés", aka chestnuts glazed multiple times in a sugar syrup. Blurry lazy photo but the box was beautiful, lik a jewellery box!

But listen to this...it was €14 for four!!!!! And it's not like I'm in paris or anything.

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Floisme · 18/12/2020 18:50

I think French pastries look exquisite - they're miniature works of art. But I have to say, the last time I was in Paris I had one of those vanilla slice thingies and it was so sweet it made my teeth ache. I think I'd rather have a bread & butter pudding or rhubarb crumble now. Or even a proper, home made Parkin.

MarshaBradyo · 18/12/2020 18:52

Hard one

I don’t eat cake etc much

But I always go for Italian tiramisu if I’m a restaurant

MarshaBradyo · 18/12/2020 18:52

In one not actually one

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 18/12/2020 18:56

Hmm, yes - I was counting macarons etc in the biscuits category, but I can see that's controversial in its own right.

Do we need further sub-categorisation?
Cakes - UK
Tarts - France
Biscuits - UK
Miscellaneous patisserie - France

See what you have started, @Floisme? Wink

MarshaBradyo · 18/12/2020 18:57

Tarts - France no doubt

Pudding - U.K.

Floisme · 18/12/2020 19:01

See what you have started, @Floisme?
I knew it might get heated but Christmas is a time for rows.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 18/12/2020 19:03

@Floisme

See what you have started, @Floisme? I knew it might get heated but Christmas is a time for rows.
You fiend.
Floisme · 18/12/2020 19:07

Christmas isn't Christmas without a good argument.

MarshaBradyo · 18/12/2020 19:33

Ok we seem to be a well travelled bunch

No it’s not a competition but

Best hair
Best clothes
Best make up

In places you’ve lived in / travelled to

GoldfishParade · 18/12/2020 19:42

Hair: Italy - A lot of dark lustrous hair that looked like nothing much had been done to it
Makeup: Switzerland - When I was living in Geneva I saw so many pulled together women, especially sales staff and women working in banks etc, who just had really immaculate makeup. I mean magazine perfect makeup. I'm not sure how they managed it but it was clearly air hostess-level heavy, and yet SOMEHOW, even when you were up close, it didnt look cakey?
Clothes - I am going to stick with London here. The professional women you see on the Tube look so classy and neat but still with a little personality, a colourful bag or swing coat. And then the more "alternative" women and their creativity. And then the "street style" girls. You see a lot of people looking very comfortable in their clothes and theres a lot of visual interest i find.

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Jemenfouscompletement · 18/12/2020 20:02

I bet you that any restaurant offering 3 courses for 11-13 euro is buying the food in. There is no way that the economics stack up otherwise - going to the market at 6, prepping all morning - very few restaurants can pay staff to be doing that and make a profit, these days.
No the restaurant I speak if buys fresh ingredients and cooks from scratch. It is we possible if you don't offer a big menu.
As I said it isn't always the case but I never go back to restaurants who don't have food 'fait maison'

Floisme · 18/12/2020 20:15

Are we allowing time travel? If we are I'll go for London too for clothes, but specifically mid 70s to early 80s - punk and New Romantics.

Not sure I can do make up - I don't notice it as much.

Hair I'll need to think about.

XingMing · 18/12/2020 21:19

If time travel is an optiom, then I want to go back to the 70s.

JingleFails · 18/12/2020 21:43

@Gwenhwyfar

"I think it’s unhygienic not to wear a fresh one every day."

That's rubbish and very irresponsible of you if you're washing tops that don't need it.
But obviously Laure is like every other TV detective in not really being bothered about what she wears. Look at the one in the Killing who wears the same jumper all the time and Sage in The Bridge who has the same look all the time. It's part of the TV detective persona isn't it?

Laure dresses like that so she blends in, on the street. That kind of proves that French chic is representative of those who are bothered about clothes rather than everyone . Some people dress for comfort/ practicality others for comfort and style 🤷‍♀️ Yes when in Paris you see some absolutely stunning people but most are wearing jeans, tshirt etc Best programme ever! Im rewatching from the start atm
JingleFails · 18/12/2020 22:03

Also the 2 justice department storylines run parallel .
Gritty street vs sleek courtroom
The clothes/ styles are deliberately contrasting.

Mominatrix · 19/12/2020 08:22

Cakes - UK
Puddings - UK (even rural France is mad for "Le Crumble")
Biscuits - Italy.

Pastry - France

Best Hair - US, specifically New York City. Can't beat a Manhattanite for their standard of grooming
Otherwise, I am torn for best clothing and makeup. For sheer entertainment and I don't mean in a patronising, sneering way but just being able to see things I have not seen before) I'd have to say Tokyo for clothing and nobody does perfect makeup like Seoul.

If I could go back in time for clothing, take me back to Paris in the 20s.

Mominatrix · 19/12/2020 08:28

@GoldfishParade, thanks for the 2 names. I found a jacket at Zadig & Voltaire, but you are right that the Kooples is very good for the St Laurent Look and, to be honest, the quality is not far off St Laurent.

Divebar · 19/12/2020 09:26

Best Hair - US, specifically New York City

Well maybe if you’re into looking like you’ve just stepped out the salon. Personally I don’t - it’s too “ done”. You don’t really see a lot of diversity with American women’s hair ( among white women) - blow dried to within an inch of its life.

banivani · 19/12/2020 10:40

Buns - Sweden. Fact.

Floisme · 19/12/2020 10:57

I need more intel on the Swedish buns bani. Specifically, do they have them in Ikea?

Mominatrix · 19/12/2020 13:03

@Divebar, I don't disagree. However, fashion is based on a foundation of artifice and it just fascinates me how perfect the hair of the stereotypical Manhattanite is. Truly mesmerising.

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