🐌 Fantastic Skincare: In the Garden of Wisdom there is always room for Cicaplast ❤️

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For those who are taking a peek and wondering what this all about, we mostly discuss a bit of advanced skincare here with a perspective of seeking out the right ingredients (rather than the latest new shiny product and all its empty promises) for our particular skin needs. Distinguishing the acid toners from the actives whilst avoiding the truly unimpressive and harmful ingredients with a hope to achieve a bit of anti-ageing, alleviate irritation and sensitivities with some idle chat in between. Newcomers are always welcome but please note the following:

Questions and asking for help on this thread is encouraged, however, we can’t give you a specific routine to follow and hope it works out for the best. There are no overnight miracles in skincare whether it be in the form of products or techniques. It’s about perseverance, understanding your skin, assessing its needs and responding to that in a diligent manner.

These threads were created to help those who want to learn for themselves. We’re a group of interested and invested skincare nuts happy to offer tea and sympathy and dole out advice. Everyone’s journey with skincare is different, what is universal and binds us is that through actually learning about the different active ingredients it helps us get to know our skin and help us adapt as it will change many times throughout our lives - with seasons, hormonal changes, ageing, genetics etc. It's in everyone's best interests to get to know their skin and to keep reviewing those changes with the confidence that comes from the gathered knowledge here. We really encourage you to spend the time reading through previous threads and linked info sheets that the many contributors have taken the trouble to share.

By no means are we experts, we're only a bunch of amateurs that can only respond by suggesting what we would do in your place, for any severe conditions please seek out professional help.

Ahem, and finally a little note on spending. I'm well aware these threads cause many to reach for their wallets and spend with wild abandon. There can sometimes be a bit of a frenzy surrounding the excitement around a newly discovered product or on the back of great improvements when someone reports back. This is all great, it doesn't however, mean everything that's a sudden miracle for one will be it for you. Usually, it's a lightbulb moment for connecting the right skincare ingredient with an individual experiencing a specific problem. Take your time to mull over decisions and question whether it's right for you too. Skincare is highly individual, it's a slow game that should cost mostly in patience, input, education, and perseverance. Please don't make it cost you financially needlessly.

I am very slowly working on consolidating the gathered information from previous threads into easier to read formats but it’s slow going. I would suggest reading thread 1 and at the very least the following info sheets (provided they apply to you):

Where to Start

Basics of an Actives Routine

Skin Types vs. Skin Conditions Info Sheet

Anti-Ageing Info sheet

Adult Acne Info Sheet

Understanding Which Sunscreen(s) to Buy

Do I Really Need to Wear Sunscreen Every Single Day of the Year?

A Damaged Skin Barrier - Now What?

NEW SERIES - NEW SERIES - NEW SERIES:

So You Want To Buy A Retinoid - A Guide

JUNE 2018: We successfully got the Frezyderm Frenzy into the MN Swears By!!!!!!!! So, once more for the MN bottom line:

www.amazon.co.uk/FREZYDERM-SPF-Velvet-Face-Sunscreen/dp/B007TSU0E2/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?keywords=frezyderm+velvet+suncream&tag=mumsnetforum-21&ie=UTF8&qid=1526062070&sr=8-1

In other news we’re excited by the launch of Garden of Wisdom at Victoria Health and several posters are already in full on testing mode.

Also, thread 15 , who is going to get me some crystal? Preferably not meth

Ok so new spf has passed the stingy eye test, now have to see if it passes the oily face and breakout test! Or the drying out test! If anyone wants to know wat it is now let me know or if u want to wait until I've used it more

Perhaps it's worth putting up a list I made after seeing these recommended multiple times:

SUNSCREENS

• La Roche Posay Anthelios facial mist or ultra fluid lotion
• Biore UV Aqua Rich Watery Essence SPF50+/PA++++ (can be too drying for dry skinned ppl)
• Nivea Sun Protect Water Gel spf 50 PA+++ (140ml good value).
• Etude House Mild Airy Finish (or Mild Watery for drier skin) SunPrise spf 50 PA+++
• Missha All Around Safe Block Soft Finish Sun Milk SPF50+/PA+++ (70ml)
• COSRX Aloe Soothing Sun Cream SPF50 PA+++
• Canmake Tokyo Mermaid Skin Gel SPF50 P++++

I'm using Avène tinted sunscreen SPF50 and it suits my easily irritated skin.

Hello lovely tiny people 👋 .
I have bought Frezyderm on the back of this thread and I'm loving it! No stingy eyes and finding the texture great. I'm using tretinoin and hydraquinone to get rid of my melasma so sun protection is vital for me.
I noticed advice about using spf last, which is how I've always used it, but on another thread the advice is that chemical spf must go on a bare skin. ?

Hello! I've read through the threads from the start (it took a while!) and want to thank you all for the advice and reviews of products. After a years of dipping in and out of skincare, I've finally got a routine I stick to everyday. Special thanks to Bo for the consolidated information sheets.

I'm not sure if anyone else is using it at the moment but I started using the Garden of Wisdom azelaic acid serum to help with my melasma. Although its only been a short amount of time, my skin is lovely and soft and the congestion in my cheeks is getting better. It could be just my imagination but the patch of melasma on my forehead seems to be lighter too. I'm hoping it works its magic on the dark patches on my upper lip (that make it look like I have a moustashe!)

Hi blue I'm also using the GOW azelaic acid although I've only used it twice so far as I'm introducing it slowly. I really like it so far though so it's good to hear your having good results.

mint ahhhhaaa um spellcheck?

bo I’m still using up my oldish clarins eye cream, my eyes really do need quite a lot of nourishment as they’ve been left for a long while. Any suggestions?

Thanks

nofilter I have rosacea and have had a pretty rough time. I live in the NYC area and I've seen 6 dermatologists, 2 with a speciality (apparently) in rosacea and it has persisted. The last dermatologist told me to try the elemis range with a couple of modifications and it has been successful. I use the elemis pro collagen cleanser which is like a solid oil, tea tree oil from Trader Joe's (Aldi will probably have it in the U.K.) with the elemis superfood oil and the marine moisturizer.

It's not cheap and I recommend you trying it on a sample basis. The cleansing oil is very gentle (put the oil on first and spread it in your face. A drop of tea tree oil is applied to each area affected by the rosacea and gently rub it into the cleansing oil) and I don't use the cloth to wipe it away. I just use a little bit of water and it turns into a milky liquid and rinses off easily. I use the superfoods oil night and day with the moisturizer in the morning only.

For make up I have found success with neutrogena mineral powder with a soft brush I found here in sephora. It was $26 for the brush but it works really well. I wash the brush with baby shampoo and a drop of tea tree oil.

The redness is significantly reduced. I wish this stuff was available on prescription because it is expensive. The tub lasts me about two months and I'm still working through samples of the superfood oil and moisturizer!

Please do get seen by a dermatologist. It's important. I have rosacea in my eyes and the dermatologist caught it. I use restasis to make my eyes produce more tears, keeping my eyes lubricated. This keeps my eyes healthy. The eye doctor I was sent to said when eyes are dry they get scratched pretty badly and sight will be damaged when you are older.

I was reflecting this morning on how much I'm enjoying my routine since adding in a couple of actives (I had stripped it back considerably). I really like the Clarins exfoliator, and the oil. I think I might give the Frezyderm to the kids to use (they love it!) and look for a different one.

I'm wondering about COSRX Aloe Soothing Sun Cream SPF50 PA+++

Who uses it please? I use their facewash and light moisturiser and I love them both.

DH is off to NY next week. I wonder about trying a DE SPF. Not looked into those before, but not done any research as yet.

I've mentioned this before but just to repeat. I'm unlikely to ever rec a Korean sunscreen. They will cover you and have the SPF for UVB rays but their PA+ system is a poor imitation of the Japanese and not reliable so I will always stick to either Japanese, European, N. American and Australian sunscreens for a sunscreen that performs well for UVA and UVB protection.

DE SPF is very greasy and unpleasant apparently. Someone on here bought it though, Miffy maybe?

I'll get to the rest later, thanks for chiming in Supermum, especially WRT eyes and Rosacea, wasn't aware of that before.

Pupsie/Bo I had the DE SPF (untinted) in a trial pack and didn't like it at all - weirdly oily, like 100% mineral sunscreens tend to be. Not as awful as SkinCeuticals mineral SPF but close. I used it on my arms in an emergency but there's a bit left if you want to try? I think someone here may have got the tinted one and prefered it, can't recall....

I must be one of the few without Frezyderm-related eye issues? I'm wondering whether it's due to me wearing contacts which might protect my eyes a bit - e.g. eyes don't run when chopping onions...

I've persisted with it even though I do think it's a bit spot-inducing because I've been able to continue using tret without redness (I stopped using it last summer) AND it's so wearable. I'd use something more hardcore at an all day festival for example but generally it's a thumbs up from me!

Okay. I must have missed you saying that before Bo. I think I might try the BioreUV bright milk in that case, taking into account DE feedback.

I think it's defo the Frezyderm that caused the two spots I had a few weeks back. Although I still haven't found a second cleanser after my one try with the LRP one which caused me burning/tingling.

I had definitely missed that re. sunscreens, Bo. Interesting as they get generally rave reviews. Oh well, the Biore and Canmake are Japanese

And the Nivea is a version only sold in Japan.

My skin seems to be holding up well with new spf so far! Skin not as oily as some days! (It's not as hot here today though)

TSMummy I also wear contacts and no issues

UVA is pretty poorly regulated Bagel, the UK star system is laughable. The EU one is minimal but at least it's something. Problem is, unlike with SPF it's pretty hard as a consumer to know when a SS is not effective for UVA protection. It's because of that that for things like melasma and other issues where UVA rays are so damaging mineral sunscreens are advocated as zinc oxide is reliably effective, it's also why derms all recommend the US ones as they're obligated to state the % of sunscreen filters which means you can actually calculate it (there's formulas and calculators online, only works with the mineral ones) but over a certain percentage you know you're getting the best protection possible, which is usually the amount needed for an SPF50.

GP Booked Friday morning...

I’m going to sit on my hands and stop being a total girl dying to jump in a “buy buy buy” these cute colourful bottles of potions and creams with really cool names!!

#shoppingfail

Hi bo can I enquire as to how you are a beauty encyclopaedia? is it your profession? That’s a wealth of knowledge you have!

Bo are you able to recommend a US SPF please?

You've tried the EltaMd SPF46, Neostrata, and SkinCeuticals Sheer Mineral ones already, right?

Nah, just nerdy about skincare and a good memory when it's cooperating, Nofilter.

My gow eye serum came today!

Pupsie I have the tinted DE spf. Honestly, I have not really tested it properly or consistently yet as I am really loving Frezyderm. I will probably use it on no-makeup, non-work days when i can get by with a bit of a tint and some mascara. However it stinks like hotdogs. Yuck. Smell doesn't last once it has been rubbed in but still... :D