Amanda Holden Bad Botox

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Dear lord her face looks terrible on This Morning.
Is it the botox or the fillers that makes a face look so weird?

Fair enough, Pinkfrocks - you had previously addressed some comments to me plus your post directly followed one of mine so I made an assumption. My mistake and apologies.

However you then go on to quote me so I think it's safe to assume that this bit is directed at me:
But this type of comment seems to say far more than you just don't fancy it for yourself but feel some kind of moral outrage at the fact these treatments exist.
I can't see any evidence of my getting so worked up about people who choose not to go down the filler/Botox route.

Yes, I do detest the anti ageing industry and I make no apologies for feeling strongly about it. But I don't get worked up about people who have these procedures, nor have I criticised anyone who does. I believe in 'your body, your choice.'

I'm 58 by the way.

See for me, I find the whole aspect that it can affect your moods more disturbing than happy tbh.

pinkfrocks I don't know any 88 year olds but certainly the few elderly people I do know are not obsessed with their looks! I think they've realised there are more important things in life by then, their health for example

of course health is more important than looks, in the same way that food and shelter are more important than things like paintings to hang on the wall or your favourite kind of chocolate, that doesnt mean that there is anything wrong with indulging yourself with paintings or green and blacks 85%.

holdyourown
I don't know any 88 year olds either who are obsessed with their looks. Most- if they are in good health like my Mum- are just happy to be alive.

Not sure where you got the 'obsessed' from- what a daft comment.

God my whole life has been bad health its all I have known since I was 19 and it is my priority day in day out but still I care about how I look!

You are not allowed to care though Noddy- you are obssessed :)

:) Strangely I think sometimes it has been a welcome distraction from the seriousness of the situation I am in! It is one of the things that I can do to feel good about myself at times when it all seems a bit out of control! It is not an obsession and I don't feel bad about myself without etc it is what it is a tool to look a certain way and if it was unavailable I wouldn't care a jot!

this puritanical disapproval of vanity is very persistent!

My 80-something mum is delighted to be alive. But she still likes to look well. Why wouldn't she?

no-one's said elderly people shouldn't care about their looks - just that they would imho be likely to have a different perspective and have accepted ageing rather than 'fighting' it - that's not incompatible with making an effort or wearing make up, doing your hair etc.

I disagree that it's puritanical to think botox isn't a great idea/concept - it's obviously an individual choice though ultimately

noddy I've never said/thought etc you're obsessed I'm glad it's been a positive, sorry to hear of your health issues

Looking well doesn't come I a bottle. Why is looking younger, wearing makeup the baseline for women to look well but men can just look like themselves and we don't tell them they look dreadfully tired and old.

Do you always misinterpret what is written itsbetter?

I am really struggling to understand how my mum's comments - that she'd love to turn the clock back and look younger once more- is a sign that she is obsessed with her looks and lacks perspective. Nothing could be further from the truth.

It's actually really offensive to make comments like that aimed at my elderly mum who is not on MN to defend herself.

You sound rather nasty TBH.

You brought her up.. It's not nasty to say it's sad that all women of all ages have such issues with their appearance.

I don't disapprove of vanity. But I see it as a product of a society that judges women primarily on what they look like and preys on insecurity.
I don't think normalising cosmetic surgery is a positive thing in helping anyone feel good about themselves.

I did bring her up- but I didn't ask for someone to misinterpret what I wrote and make, quite frankly, nasty remarks about an elderly lady about whom you know nothing.

You seem unable - or unwilling-to understand that looking in a mirror when you are pushing 90 and wishing you looked younger is a long way short of being obsessed with your looks and having lost perspective.

I don't know why you are on the S&B forum because 99% of threads are about how to maintain a youthful appearance.

so fine- don't apologise, don't give it a 2nd thought that you slagged off some old woman, but maybe if you get to 88 and look in the mirror you will remember this thread.

I think you are being silly I'm sorry. I don't think saying that to some people disliking what you see in the is insecure is 'slagging' anyone off. To my mind anyone who does that does have some level of insecurity in themselves. That's not a personal attack.

AH, like every other person I know that's had anything 'done' to their face, looks demented. Neither old nor young...the only thing I see is vanity and insecurity.

I am a bit vain but not insecure

Who's to say AH is insecure?

Itsbetter stop digging, love. You know how it came across.

that's quite a sweeping statement, OscarWin! I know plenty with little bits done, you would never know/suspect. Perhaps those you know need a better practitioner.

Please don't call me love.

Oo I'm v vain, can I join in?

really, men dont look old?
yes they bloody do
I dont see many blokes late 40s onwards who still look good