Amanda Holden Bad Botox

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Dear lord her face looks terrible on This Morning.
Is it the botox or the fillers that makes a face look so weird?

youd have the same mind but a young body, the same treatment would be available to anyone with the means to pay, just like botox etc is today

I think the argument about when to stop procedures is a bit pointless really.
I suppose some people will carry on forever- Helen Mirren is 70 ( soon) and has reportedly just had her 2nd facelift. let's not forget Dr Mary Archer- no intellectual lightweight- who also had her face lifted. 'Work' is not the preserve of the air-head.

Equally, there will be people who do decide to give in gracefully and stop procedures, just like there are women who give up on fashion, make up and staying slim & fit when they reach 50, 60, 70, etc.

It's a matter of degree. If you rate your sagging on a scale of 1-10, ( 1 being no wrinkles) then most treatments I have heard will take you back to a 5 or 6. Done well, it's a tweak. If that makes someone feel good about themselves, makes them feel happier, more confident, improves their quality of life and even longevity- which is shown to be linked to being happy, having a social life etc- then why not?

What the discussion seems to come back to all the time is that women ought not to try to keep time standing still with regard to their faces- but it's an argument I can't understand , because most women use make up and have their hair dyed- and it's no different.

I think it's absolutely fine for some women to say it's not for them and they want to embrace old age, warts,wrinkles and jowls, but I don't understand why they are judgemental about women who feel differently.

well said Pink! :o

I do wonder if people here are so anti treatments are very young.

My mum is very elderly and I love making her up- subtly- when I see her- because her eyesight is not great and she still cares about looking good.

But whenever she looks in the mirror she says 'goodness, I wish I could get rid of my terrible eye bags, my jowls, my hooded eyelids, my skinny thin lips, my sagging cheeks...'

And then she usually says how much she hates herself now compared to how she was in her younger days.

she's not insecure, she isn't unhappy, she has masses of friends and a busy life but she hates her face now. Who's to judge whether it's 'right' for someone like that to have something done if they can afford it- which she can't, that's why she hasn't!

Nope, I'm 43,I don't think anyone considers that very young

That's where you got it from then pinkfrocks. That does sound like your mum is insecure.
My mother never looks in the mirror and criticises her face and laments her youth. She is happy so doesn't hate herself. That's not to say she is better it's just nicer for everyone to like themselves! Botox just makes people hate themselves more.
I found your list of ways women 'give up' really depressing. When to men 'give up'?

Botox does not make you hate yourself more esp if you never have hated yourself!

itsbetter I think pinkfrocks meant that her mum hates her appearance now compared to her younger days, not that she hates herself. Personally, I don't know any older women who are totally happy with their older faces in comparison to their younger ones - I'm talking about women my age (late 40s), women in their 50s and 60s and even in their 90s. Doesn't mean they hate themselves, just that they preferred their unsaggy or unlined version of younger days. Really, who is going to look at themselves with jowls and wrinkles that make them look cross and tired and say "hey, I look the best I've ever done"? Most of us, men included, try to make the best of what we have, or what we are.

Looking at yourself and thinking you look bad in comparison to yourself younger is hating yourself. Wishing away parts of your face is just that!
And no it really doesn't affect men in the same way. Look at who uses the stuff it's in the huge majority women.

Do jowls and wrinkles make you look cross and tired? that sounds like marketing speak to me.

Looking at yourself and thinking you look bad in comparison to yourself younger is hating yourself - of course it isn't hating yourself. What a bizarre thing to say. It's being realistic.

Whilst I agree that men are not affected in quite the same way as women, or to quite the same degree, I do believe that they are affected by it somewhat.

I'm not young either pinkfrocks

However my mother died relatively young so didn't have a chance to see her old age. I do think that perhaps gives me a different perspective in that I'd just be grateful to still be alive at that age.

I do think self acceptance is crucial for a happy ageing process.

In my view up and hair dye etc is one thing but normalising the paralysis of facial expression is another matter

I'm not young either pinkfrocks

However my mother died relatively young so didn't have a chance to see her old age. I do think that perhaps gives me a different perspective in that I'd just be grateful to still be alive at that age.

I do think self acceptance is crucial for a happy ageing process.

In my view up and hair dye etc is one thing but normalising the paralysis of facial expression is another matter

Dame my under eye tear troughs did make me look very tired. In fact people used to comment on that fact. Having fillers in them made me look much less tired.

Likewise, people on this thread have stated that deep lines between their eyes made them look cross, whilst having a little botox has taken the cross look away.

Paralysis of facial expression is when the botox has been done badly, for whatever reason. Done well, I believe that normal facial movements occur.

Fifteen years ago we wouldn't even have known what tear troughs were, we'd have just bought a good concealer not injected stuff into ourselves.

As anyone who has/had deep tear troughs will know, concealer does nothing for them. The other thing is though, are you saying that fifteen years ago women would have still wanted to improve the appearance of their tear trough shadows/bags by using concealer? Because if so, surely that is saying that fifteen years ago women did want to enhance/disguise parts of their appearance that they were less than ecstatic with. So what's the difference really?

Anybody can do whatever they want to their body. It's personal choice. But what makes me sad is when women who already look lovely destroy the very thing that made them attractive. Amanda Holden was very pretty before all her facial procedures. I saw a picture of Kim Kardashian on the front of a magazine today. She looks horrendous. A young, previously good looking girl... Destroyed. Is it insecurity?

There's a huge difference between slapping a bit of concealer on and having a procedure. My point is 15 years ago we would have just accepted that that was how we were made and if concealer didn't work then so be it. We were far less self critical imo.

Alley- actress from Men Behaving Badly springs to mind, her name escapes me.

itsbetter
I've got lots of things from my mum- including good genes and a youthful complexion- but being insecure about how I look? Nope.

Maybe when you get to 88 you might look in the mirror and wish you didn't have the ravages of time etched on your face. Anyone who says they like the effects of ageing is IMO lying.

And many of you are young- 43 is young IMO.

Lesley Ash was the person whose lip treatment went wrong and that was her fault for having permanent fillers- no good practitioners use those now because they are renowned for side effects.

I have found that the fact you don't look tired transfers to how you feel. I know its psychosomatic but its quite incredible how looking less tired (for me) means feeling less tired.

Me too noddy.

there is evidence that stance, and maybe facial expression, have effects on testosterone levels and cortisol levels. Maybe this could be the same for other neurotransmitters and hormones. I agree with noddy and Agatha, look less tired, feel less tired.