Amanda Holden Bad Botox

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Dear lord her face looks terrible on This Morning.
Is it the botox or the fillers that makes a face look so weird?

Suzanne- thanks, am well acquainted with Google but wanted to hear your version- would have taken you less time than linking to google search box.

Pinkfrocks are you suggesting that I might use words the meaning of which I am not fully cognisant
well, the very idea

Did I say such a thing?
But I did expect you to snap back a definition worthy of Webbers of the Oxford Concise.

sorry about typos- you know what I meant!

lol

Pinkfrocks
It's quite possible to want to look good for yourself and not give a toss about how 'society' regards you, but you want to look ok when you look in the mirror.

Yes, I agree with that. It's what I aim for too. However I believe the 'looking good goalposts' are being constantly moved and that it's not women who are moving them but an industry that has spotted opportunities to make shitloads of money.

I love clothes and cosmetics but I draw the line at medical procedures to 'fix' things that were't even considered a problem 20 or 30 years ago. (I think frownlines are a good example of that.) That's where we probably diverge but that's fine by me - I quite enjoy talking about it with women who see it differently.

I don't see it like that at all.

Science will forever be offering women newer ways of retaining youthful appearances- whether it's creams, injectibles or surgery.

You could argue that women have far more choice now over everything thanks to'goalposts' being moved- we have choices and control over contraception which was not reliable 50 years ago, tampons ( not readily available till the 50s), and yes, ways of keeping our faces looking younger.

Would you prefer we were still walking around with rags between our legs or pushing out 12 children, and dying in childbirth?

There are women who take the whole cosmetic surgery too far- late Joan Rivers, RIP, and end up looking ridiculous, but there are plenty of intelligent and secure women out there who just want a gentle tweak, whether by the knife or needle, and whose 'work' is not even noticeable to people who know them well!

Pinkfrocks that's ridiculous. Good access to sanitary where is positive for women because it is more comfortable and helps protect them from infection.
Having power over your reproductive choices gives women huge freedoms to live how they want to and let's them take different places in society.
Being able to pay doctors a load of money to painfully damage and distort your face is not the same at all! What does this actually do for women except make us feel like we must look perpetually young in a society that thinks women are objects for looking at. Whereas men are still respected growing old as nature intended.

Pinkfrocks I have absolutely no idea what sanitary protection or dying in childbirth has to do with this. I am simply explaining why I personally, despite being humungously vain, draw the line at medical cosmetic procedures. I have repeatedly stated that these are my personal opinions and mine alone. I don't believe I have been critical of any women (including Amanda Holden) who do use them.

The point I was making is that scientific advancements give women freedom of choice. I know that the examples are not directly comparable.
I suspect there are very few women who do not want to look younger.

My mum is now late 80s and when I was a child I remember her pulling up her cheeks and making them tighter- and saying she wished she could look like that ( younger) again.
Pre-Botox, pre facelifts ( for the masses) . I also recall my gran using egg white on her face as a temporary skin tightener !

So don't 'blame' companies for creating a need- the need or desire has always been there for many women.

Yes society has made women feel shit about themselves for years. It's just now they can pay to have someone damage them to feel better.

Well at least you're prepared to use the 'y' word, Pinkfrocks. I've been shot down several times on these kinds of thread by posters insisting they're not trying to look younger, just more rested!

These companies may not have created the need but they're exploiting it like hell and, as I've already said, once they've made all the money they can from botox they will move on and find something else to make us feel bad. It's up to you but I prefer to extend a (wrinkled) finger in their direction.

I am not trying to look younger as I know I don't! I do look better though but in terms of 'age' I look no different. I have never really want ed it had it as I said up thread kind of by accident but once I saw the result I think vanity defintiely kicked in That is what made me have it again. I think the initial time when I went with friend is something I would never have done myself

These companies may not have created the need but they're exploiting it like hell indeed but that is what all companies do, I'd not expect them to behave otherwise, profit and the maximization thereof is their raison d'être

It's up to us to weigh things up and try and be rational consumers...isnt it?

Obviously in some ways we are being exploited but then again the drive to make a profit spurs advancements in science and technology, with anti aging innovations will come advances that make life more pleasant (yes I know I sound a bit evangelical there)

Yes of course it is up to us. And, after weighing it all up, it is my rational conclusion that they can fuck right off and back again.

cool :)

It makes me laugh- seriously. Almost every thread on S&B is about looking good and finding the right products to make our skin look better- and better for some/ most means younger - or holding back time perhaps is more accurate.

Companies are responding to a need- not just creating one. This applies to almost anything that people buy.

I find it hard to believe anyone who says that they don't want to hold back the ravages of time on their faces. I'd like to know the 'real' reason why some people are so anti the products that can do this - used carefully, not like AH.

I've not had anything 'done' but I feel it's acceptable and who knows- one day perhaps. I don't think it's a moral issue as some people make out, blasting those nasty companies who make the products.

Feel free to laugh, I really don't mind.
Yes I do like to look good, I have said that several times.
Moral issue? No, I am stating my personal opinions which, if you don't mind me saying so, you appear to be taking rather ..... well personally.

(If you answer and I don't reply, it's not that I'm ignoring you but I have to go to work now.)

Not talking about you personally, because I've not singled you out- in fact gone to great lengths to talk about the posts on S&B generally.

But this type of comment seems to say far more than you just don't fancy it for yourself but feel some kind of moral outrage at the fact these treatments exist.

And, after weighing it all up, it is my rational conclusion that they can fuck right off and back again.

I can't see any evidence of my getting so worked up about people who choose not to go down the filler/Botox route.

There is always something out there to try/use/do that won't be for everyone and botox and 'procedures' aren't for me and never will be.

I know someone who had a full very expensive facelift (and she's younger than me) and to my mind she looks worse than she did (a rounded changed face with a very shiny forehead that everyone seems to get whatever you have done). Of course I'm not going to tell her what I think, she has had irreversible surgery after all. But why do it?

I just can't fathom it and the way I rationalise this to myself is like this... (and bear in mind I am OLD with wrinkles). I look around at others my age now and again. I think to myself "hey Roussette, you ain't doing so bad at all, keep doing what you're doing". I want to feel natural, I want people to ask how old I am and think I'm looking OK, I just want to feel like me with no cosmetic procedures (except the normal crowns on teeth and hair highlights). No knives, no injections.

As for feeling pressurised by society - errrr NO!

pinkfrocks advertising creates the 'need' and plays on insecurities otherwise there wouldn't be a market. Along with society at large. Women aren't insecure about their intellect as much as looks - why do you think that is?

Anyway, I for one am okay with looking my age. What will happen to all these botox people if they're lucky enough to get to say 75?. Sooner or later people have to come to terms with ageing/death not just pretend it's not happening

ps not criticising those who've had it, that's up to them. Just saying imo there's a lot of denial about why there doing it and how sustainable/rational it is in the longer term

Re being ok about looking your age. All well and good but look your age is not a fixed thing, the average 40 year old now looks younger than the average 40 year old in my parents or grandparents day.
As more and more people have anti aging treatments the bar is raised, the average person looks younger and so the untouched person looks increasingly old compared to his or her peers.

Surgery is quite a bit deal and many are understandably put off by the risks but I strongly believe that less invasive and more effective rejuvenation treatments will be developed in the future and those who opt to look natural will look substantially older than those who don't, or who can't afford to look younger. ?

What if you could have a course of stem cell injections that could restore you to your 30 year old self, no risks involved, say it cost about ten grand, would you do it?

hard to say suzanne - what would it restore - just my face? my whole being? There would be a psychological impact ie denial of ageing process/being closer to end of your life

I might be tempted if there was absolutely no risk and I had oodles of spare cash but if I just had £10k to spare I'd be more tempted to spend that on travelling the world (with added bonus of looking more relaxed from the holiday )

Also I'd find it odd to be out of kilter with my peer group. I think the fact is people do look younger today in their 40s than they used to but I don't think this is mostly due to botox I think it's because of improved nutrition, dentistry, wearing 'younger' fashions longer, more attention to fitness and bodyshape, hair dye and better make up.

great for people to make the best of themselves, just that for me that wouldn't involve spending megabucks or injecting myself with botulism or having implants or other surgical proceedures