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Leaving a child with step-parent overnight: what's the law?

214 replies

OneMoreNameForMe · 29/09/2022 14:32

Hello,

If the parents of a child are separated, and both parents have re-married, what are the rules on leaving their child with one of their step-parents overnight (without the bio parent there)?

My friend is in this situation. Her child is being left overnight with stepmother as it's dad's night, but he's away. Friend has offered to have her child those nights, but dad won't agree.

Any advice/ guidance?

OP posts:
ivykaty44 · 29/09/2022 18:00

If child is quiet young then limited iPad would be appropriate

itwasntmetho · 29/09/2022 18:00

RedWingBoots · 29/09/2022 17:49

So you disagree with the Family Court then.

The majority of child contact arrangements are not court ordered.

MuggleMe · 29/09/2022 18:01

Is the dad there when she wakes up? I can understand why dad doesn't want mum to have her if it means losing out on time the next day.

ThirtyThreeTrees · 29/09/2022 18:02

I think that being a step parent, especially a good one, and by that I mean fully accepting that the child is now a large part of your life but at the same time accepting that you are not a replacement for the parent.

A step parent cannot win in most cases. They are under no obligation to look after or care for the child but many that do so get it thrown back at them constantly.

If there is no safety concerns, what is the downside. Any don't say iPad denial!!

itwasntmetho · 29/09/2022 18:02

if the mother really is seeking to find out "what the law is" then perhaps the child would be better off with the father full time.

Why?

justusandmoo · 29/09/2022 18:03

itwasntmetho · 29/09/2022 17:57

I've never seen a thread on here where there is as much forced bonding between a child and their Mum's new husband as I see between child and Dad's new wife.

Why can't step Mothers be a nice person in the family like aunty figures, why do they need "unbreakable bonds" and prom dress shopping?

As a side I remember my friend being quite upset that her ex's wife took her daughter prom dress shopping.

If I have plans I ask my childs Father first before anyone else.
In terms of rules though if the Dad is away for the weekend or something then no she does not have to hand her child over to the Dad's wife, because Mum has PR, Dad's wife doesn't unless that has been legally given and that isn't something that could have happened behind her back. I probably wouldn't cause a scene by turning up to collect the child tough if Dad is collecting spending time with and then heading off.

Exactly this. Honestly I really like my daughters step-mum but she isn't and never will be her mum. She gets that and is quite happy to be there if she's ever needed and plaits her hair for school! Lol. But that's all. My daughter has a mum and dad and doesn't need another one. Same with my step daughters (2 of them).

Catfordthefifth · 29/09/2022 18:03

fluffinsalad · 29/09/2022 17:32

The child should go back to the mother. I dont care about titles that are won through marriage.

If the Childs father is not about and the child wants to go home to its mother and the mother agrees then that should happen.

Sounds like the father loves to play the control game.

It's funny because when mums post here saying "dad needs to work why should I have my kids" she gets a lot of "his time his problem" responses. And when he seemingly arranges childcare in his time he is controlling. Weird.

originalandworst · 29/09/2022 18:07

Need more context OP.

You said dad is 'away'. Away where, for what reason, and how often?

I had this with my ex. He'd often take on shifts on one his midweek nights with DC and leave DC with long term girlfriend, instead of taking the shift on a night he didn't have DC, which he could easily do, or asking me to swap nights which I would happily have done.

I was missing time with my dc for no reason, and DC was getting reduced contact with dad. My DC did start to question me about it, and thankfully ex took it on board and changed how he was doing things.

A one off here or there, I wouldn't mind too much, if the dad has decent contact otherwise.

Hearthnhome · 29/09/2022 18:07

Catfordthefifth · 29/09/2022 18:03

It's funny because when mums post here saying "dad needs to work why should I have my kids" she gets a lot of "his time his problem" responses. And when he seemingly arranges childcare in his time he is controlling. Weird.

Exactly.

Each parent should be arranging care on their own time.

There would be next to no objections of ‘fathers wife’ was changed to ‘fathers mother’

CheezePleeze · 29/09/2022 18:08

How old is the child?

Do they have any half siblings at the house?

RedWingBoots · 29/09/2022 18:09

itwasntmetho · 29/09/2022 18:00

The majority of child contact arrangements are not court ordered.

The OP was asking about the law. The Family Court decide the law around this issue.

And it's a good thing most parents can agree things amongst themselves including without posting threads on platforms.

lickenchugget · 29/09/2022 18:09

Hearthnhome · 29/09/2022 18:07

Exactly.

Each parent should be arranging care on their own time.

There would be next to no objections of ‘fathers wife’ was changed to ‘fathers mother’

Yep. Controlling mothers disagree though - SM’s caring for their DC pushes their buttons if the SM wants to, but conversely it also pushes their buttons in the opposite direction if SM doesn’t want to.

SM’s can’t win.

RedWingBoots · 29/09/2022 18:11

itwasntmetho · 29/09/2022 18:02

if the mother really is seeking to find out "what the law is" then perhaps the child would be better off with the father full time.

Why?

Most people talk to people who they know in rl about matters like this and don't just ask random strangers on the internet while drip feeding info if the answers they get don't fit what they want.

Hearthnhome · 29/09/2022 18:12

lickenchugget · 29/09/2022 18:09

Yep. Controlling mothers disagree though - SM’s caring for their DC pushes their buttons if the SM wants to, but conversely it also pushes their buttons in the opposite direction if SM doesn’t want to.

SM’s can’t win.

I am not a sm but I agree, they can’t win on this issue.

wouldn’t even occur to me to offer an extra night to exh if I can’t have ds. Even the night before and day of my mums funeral a friend had him.

TimBoothseyes · 29/09/2022 18:13

ZeroFuchsGiven · 29/09/2022 16:53

I agree, she is parenting!

Yep, doing what many on MN expect SM's to do...ie, treat them as they would their own child. Funny how when that involves discipline it suddenly becomes, "their not you child, how dare you act like the parent".

itwasntmetho · 29/09/2022 18:13

RedWingBoots · 29/09/2022 18:09

The OP was asking about the law. The Family Court decide the law around this issue.

And it's a good thing most parents can agree things amongst themselves including without posting threads on platforms.

In law you don't get PR over someone elses child by marrying one of the parents.

RedWingBoots · 29/09/2022 18:13

lickenchugget · 29/09/2022 18:09

Yep. Controlling mothers disagree though - SM’s caring for their DC pushes their buttons if the SM wants to, but conversely it also pushes their buttons in the opposite direction if SM doesn’t want to.

SM’s can’t win.

Yep it is a father issue not a SM one.

The mother of the child needs to talk to the father in rl, and they need to come up with a solution that suits them both.

However if it has already been to Court and there is an Order, then there is sod all she can do until the child is a lot older.

itwasntmetho · 29/09/2022 18:17

RedWingBoots · 29/09/2022 18:11

Most people talk to people who they know in rl about matters like this and don't just ask random strangers on the internet while drip feeding info if the answers they get don't fit what they want.

She did, she spoke to her friend. The OP is the Mothers friend not the Mother.

RedWingBoots · 29/09/2022 18:17

itwasntmetho · 29/09/2022 18:13

In law you don't get PR over someone elses child by marrying one of the parents.

No but the parent is allowed to delegate childcare in the time they have the child living with them to a responsible adult.

In this case that responsible adult is the step-mother.

The responsible adult could be anyone from paid childcare, family relations including adult siblings and family friends. The same like with parents who aren't separated.

ZeroFuchsGiven · 29/09/2022 18:19

itwasntmetho · 29/09/2022 18:17

She did, she spoke to her friend. The OP is the Mothers friend not the Mother.

chinny reckon

itwasntmetho · 29/09/2022 18:29

I wouldn't hand my child over to their Dad's wife/ Mother/ Sister/ Friend if he was away and I was available and my child wanted to be with me. That isn't facilitating contact with the childs Father which is the childs right and the real purpose of his contact time.
No I don't agree with the family court in a lot of cases. Family courts are renowned for enabling bullies to continue punishing their victims through the child after separation.

Contact shouldn't be about enforced separation from the Mother, it should be about making them available to the Father.

ZeroFuchsGiven · 29/09/2022 18:30

itwasntmetho · 29/09/2022 18:29

I wouldn't hand my child over to their Dad's wife/ Mother/ Sister/ Friend if he was away and I was available and my child wanted to be with me. That isn't facilitating contact with the childs Father which is the childs right and the real purpose of his contact time.
No I don't agree with the family court in a lot of cases. Family courts are renowned for enabling bullies to continue punishing their victims through the child after separation.

Contact shouldn't be about enforced separation from the Mother, it should be about making them available to the Father.

or step siblings who they also have a right to time with.

RandomMess · 29/09/2022 18:32

The Mum could take it to court and ask for CAO which includes that the bio parent has the right of first refusal should the other bio parent not be in there on "their time" with the DC.

SD1978 · 29/09/2022 18:34

No 'law' but depending on your child arrangement I know ours has the other parent as first refusal if they are unable to have the child- and then after that care can be sought from who ever you want

ChubbyMorticia · 29/09/2022 18:37

Depends on where you are, and what's in the divorce/custody arrangements.

Some people have 'rights of first refusal' in the arrangements, meaning that if the parent who's time it is with the child cannot be with them, then the other parent gets first choice as to have that time with the child or not.

Personally, I think that the relationship with the parents (assuming everyone is involved and healthy parents) supersedes the stepparent, so in this case, the child would spend the time with his/her mother vs stepmother.