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Who the hell does this to their child?!

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Lismoa · 17/04/2022 07:46

I'm fuming and just need to vent!

We have been through an awful time with DSC's mum - crazy accusations, extreme parental alienation to the point that they've eventually been removed from her and now live with me and DH.
We wanted to take the DSC on holiday and knew she might try to block it in some way so we got a court order saying we could take them abroad and essentially forcing her permission to get the youngest a passport as he didn't have one. Initially she tried to delay things by repeatedly sending blurry photos of her own passport meaning her passport number was blurred (this was required for the application and the court had ordered she send her passport details) or photos that were so dark you couldn't read it or had the light shining brightly onto the passport number so you couldn't see. However eventually DH asked her for the passport number in person while collecting DSC and she gave him it, I'd guess because DSC were there and she didn't want to appear the bad guy blocking their holiday. The delay meant we had to pay extra to have the passport fast-tracked to make sure we had it in time but that's fine, at least we got it. After this she seemed to be starting to play ball and we thought maybe she was starting to mellow and realise that good relations were in the best interests of the children. She seemed to be being positive about the holiday to the children so we thought we were starting to make steps forward. We were so wrong!

We got away to our destination fine. She sent an unusual text on the first day saying - I'll assume you're all happy then- we thought it was her trying to make a point about DH not having told her we'd arrived (they have bare minimum contact with one another so it wouldn't have occurred to message her, DSC live full time with us and there's no contact between DH and his ex unless necessary). DH just replied saying DSC were very happy and having a great time and that was that.

On coming back into the country we were stopped at border control. She had reported oldest DSC's passport as being stolen. Apparently this was done just prior to our trip but it wasn't checked on the system on the way out the country (just checked visually rather than scanned) so they didn't clock it, nor did the country we were entering as they just did the same. Border control told us that if they had scanned his passport on the way out then he wouldn't have been allowed to leave the country and we couldn't have gone away.
We tried not to let the kids hear anything when the border control guy was telling us what was going on but the oldest kept trying to listen in and picked up on what was happening. His wee face when he realised what was going on and said to me - I know what's happened, my mum reported it as lost. She said the other week that she couldn't find my passport and would need to report it- it actually broke my heart for him. He looked absolutely broken, just devastated as the realisation hit him.
His mum has never had his passport in her possession. She has never taken him away anywhere, DH got DSS his passport after they had split up and has been the only one to ever take him away (which was only once so this holiday was a big deal to him) and has always had the passport.

Five minutes later, after literally saying - I know who it was, my mum did it- (we had been making out like it was a mistake that it had been reported stolen and he was saying - no, mum did it) he then started saying - I wonder who could have reported my passport as being stolen? That's so strange? Who would report a random person's passport as lost or stolen? -
It's obviously his way of dealing with it, by pretending to himself that she didn't do it even when he knows and was the one to say himself it was her. We went along with this, agreeing that it was all really strange and not mentioning his mum despite us all knowing fine well it was her. It feels like we're always doing this. We never say negative things about their mum and it's like we're constantly having to hide her behaviour from DSC to protect them from it so they don't get hurt or affected by it.

But I just can't get over how someone can be so bitter and twisted that they would do this to their own child in an attempt to stop them from having a nice holiday with their dad. It's so fucked up. She was prepared for her children to be all excited for going away, and she was adding to their excitement by being encouraging about the holiday, and then be turned away at the airport. I'm so so glad that the passports weren't scanned on the way out because the kids would have been completely devastated.

What I find hard sometimes though is that the kids will so easily convince themselves that she's an angel. I know it's the right thing for us to cover for her behaviour if it means they're less affected by it. It's to protect them and shield them from it but it's hard when for example even after what happened today they are talking about how they are going to show their mum their holiday photos and teach her the new words they've learned, like she's done nothing, and my mind is just screaming at her. It's better for them to see her that way though, I know, but it's just so frustrating. I felt so much anger towards her today, seeing them sitting there all anxious waiting at border control for ages while it all got sorted (which it thankfully did as DH had brought all the court documents with us just incase although DSS's passport was impounded and we'll likely need to go to court again to get another one).

I hate having such a toxic person in our lives.

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GeneLovesJezebel · 17/04/2022 07:50

Of course they will always try and see the best in her, she’s their only mum. They want her to be a great mum, even if she’s not.
But like you say, they can see the truth, and will see it more as they get older.

Vsirbdo · 17/04/2022 07:52

That is so incredibly sad although I’m relieved the holiday wasn’t spoilt. We’ve always been worried about holidays being blocked but I’d never imagine it happening to that extent.
Would it be worth trying to get proof that it was her who reported the passport as lost so that this can be used as evidence if you need to at a later date

Vsirbdo · 17/04/2022 07:53

From experience though now DSD is a teen she sees her mum for how she truly is

Ilovenutellaaaaa · 17/04/2022 07:57

Did you have documented proof of the court order saying you had permission to take them on holiday?..(just thinking that in future take any documents like that with you, so that if she pulls the same stunt, you have proof....also next time you ask the court for permission to take them on holiday tell them that she deliberately reported it missing to sabotage the kids holiday....don't let her win)

Lismoa · 17/04/2022 08:02

Would it be worth trying to get proof that it was her who reported the passport as lost so that this can be used as evidence if you need to at a later date

I'm not sure if we can get actual documented proof but we can contact the passport office and try. I looked online to see what steps you go through to report a child's passport as lost or stolen, it asks questions such as "is there another parent with parental responsibility who may have the passport?" and I'm assuming she said no to this or it wouldn't have been cancelled. You also can't cancel it if you don't have parental responsibility so it must have been her.

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Fluxcapacitator · 17/04/2022 08:03

You sound as though you are doing an amazing job, and clearly are putting the children first. Maybe speak to a professional about how to address the mothers behaviour with the dcs. My feeling is you may need to be more honest about her behaviour being unacceptable as it sounds confusing for them if it is all covered up.

Lismoa · 17/04/2022 08:05

Did you have documented proof of the court order saying you had permission to take them on holiday?..(just thinking that in future take any documents like that with you, so that if she pulls the same stunt, you have proof....also next time you ask the court for permission to take them on holiday tell them that she deliberately reported it missing to sabotage the kids holiday....don't let her win)

Yes we took the court order with us just in case. That's our plan, I'm not sure exactly how they would stop her doing it again in the future though but were still going to tell them so hopefully they can put something in the court order that prevents or discourages it.

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THisbackwithavengeance · 17/04/2022 08:07

Can you write to the passport agency explaining that the passport was never lost and was maliciously reported as so?

They may replace it or return it without you having to fork out again?

What a very unhappy, twisted and bitter woman the mum must be.

Wallywobbles · 17/04/2022 08:09

Id suspect this may well be grounds for having her parental responsibility removed.

cigarettesNalcohol · 17/04/2022 08:15

but it's hard when for example even after what happened today they are talking about how they are going to show their mum their holiday photos and teach her the new words they've learned, like she's done nothing, and my mind is just screaming at her. It's better for them to see her that way though.

Children are forgiving and will love their parents no matter what. They will forgive and forget a parent who repeatedly treats them bad. Don't worry though, when they become adults they will still remember it all under a new light and suddenly they will realise how fucked up it was. Children are too innocent at this stage to see the long term malicious intent behind this nasty behaviour. That won't be the case for always though. When they're grown ups, they'll look back at the this and realise what a shitty thing she's done to him/them. Only time will open their eyes.

AliceMcK · 17/04/2022 08:15

Wow she sounds so nasty. She obviously dose not care about her children otherwise she would not have done this. I grew up with a toxic mother, I could see her doing something like this, everything is about her not her children. Is it even safe/healthy for your DSC being round her?

Lismoa · 17/04/2022 08:20

My feeling is you may need to be more honest about her behaviour being unacceptable as it sounds confusing for them if it is all covered up.

DH was actually asking me last night if we should be being more up front about it. It's definitely something we'll seek advice on.

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Moochio · 17/04/2022 08:22

What an absolutely nasty thing to do. Could your DH go back to court and get her parental responsibility removed? Is that a thing? She's going to damage her kids.

Moochio · 17/04/2022 08:24

@Lismoa

My feeling is you may need to be more honest about her behaviour being unacceptable as it sounds confusing for them if it is all covered up.

DH was actually asking me last night if we should be being more up front about it. It's definitely something we'll seek advice on.

Yes I was thinking this. So for the child that said mummy did it for you then to play into the "I wonder who did that" narrative I'm wondering if that might have made things more confusing. If they know it was their mum then Im not sure it's helpful joining I'm an alternative narrative. But yes speak to a professional.
Lismoa · 17/04/2022 08:25

Is it even safe/healthy for your DSC being round her?

To be honest I've questioned this for a long time. Some of the things she has said to them in an attempt to alienate them from DH is just downright disgusting and I was shocked when the court didn't implement supervised access to ensure this wasn't able to continue. Now she has unsupervised visits and DSC have come back saying strange things at times, including youngest DSC starting to say things their mum has told them and oldest shushing him and shaking his head so he doesn't tell us and we don't know what's been said but know it's something that's not right.

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YotkshireLass · 17/04/2022 08:26

Can you report a passport as lost if you don't know the passport number?

aSofaNearYou · 17/04/2022 08:26

This sounds awful. Have you tried telling her her DS realised it was her straight away and was devastated?

Mellowyellow222 · 17/04/2022 08:28

This is awful and I can’t really offer advice just sympathy.

It must be really difficult and so hard on the children.

Are they in counselling. It really sounds like they need to work through their mums appalling behaviour which conflicts so strongly with their live for her and their need to believe they want the best for them.

The feeling of loss and betrayal must be so strong for these kids. My heart breaks for them. Sounds like you and your husband are doing great.

Bananarama21 · 17/04/2022 08:28

I would consult with your solicitor and proceed further with court action she's went against the court order for you to take her away. I'm not with my ex I wouldn't dream of doing something like that it goes beyond the pale.

bjjgirl · 17/04/2022 08:31

Ok I'll be honest your children are being abused.

I would document everything, gather the proof and report it to the police. The need social service intervention to assess weather their mum is safe the them to be around, she can not continue to do this

Lismoa · 17/04/2022 08:32

Yes I was thinking this. So for the child that said mummy did it for you then to play into the "I wonder who did that" narrative I'm wondering if that might have made things more confusing. If they know it was their mum then Im not sure it's helpful joining I'm an alternative narrative. But yes speak to a professional.

We didn't exactly say 'we don't know who', after he said it was his mum, we did say it before he said it was his mum though (although we knew immediately). After he said it was his mum, then when he started saying it was strange we just didn't really say anything, so we didn't say, 'well it was your mum like you said', we just kind of said 'hmmm'. But i do think you're right and in general we're not necessarily helping them by hiding them from her behaviour, it's finding out how to do it the right way though that's going to be the least harmful to them.

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Totheweekend · 17/04/2022 08:32

You sound like you’ve been down a long road with this and are doing really well. My DSD’s mum is officially one move away from losing her access also so I think we are dealing with a very similar issue. It’s unbelievable that a parent would put their bitterness over the needs of their children and so heartbreaking to see the impact on the little ones.
I think it’s pretty normal for kids to have coping mechanisms that enable them to continue to love their parents despite overwhelming evidence of despicable behaviour .
At least the strategy failed this time and the kids had a fab holiday that they’ll remember. Hang in there OP and grey rock the hell out of their mother.

Sparechange · 17/04/2022 08:32

My mother did something as vindictive when I was a teen and lived with my dad
Reported my dad to the police for having a stash of guns in the house (!) and our house got raided
It was shortly before my GCSEs
I was revising, trying to concentrate on upcoming exams etc but she didn’t care

Her only concern was making life as difficult as possible for him (and probably embarrassing him), even if that meant her children were collateral damage

VashtaNerada · 17/04/2022 08:34

I’m so glad you got your holiday, that’s a big positive to focus on. I’m sure the children know deep down what she is like, and what you and their dad are like. They’ll keep trying with her for a while which will require them to pretend all is fine, but there will come a time when they accept what’s really going on. You’re doing all the right things, no need to say anything bad about her. They’ll see it for themselves when they’re ready.

Lismoa · 17/04/2022 08:34

Can you report a passport as lost if you don't know the passport number?

When I went through the online steps it looks like you can, after all not everyone is going to have their passport number written elsewhere, but you need to then speak to them in person to confirm everything.

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