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Who the hell does this to their child?!

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Lismoa · 17/04/2022 07:46

I'm fuming and just need to vent!

We have been through an awful time with DSC's mum - crazy accusations, extreme parental alienation to the point that they've eventually been removed from her and now live with me and DH.
We wanted to take the DSC on holiday and knew she might try to block it in some way so we got a court order saying we could take them abroad and essentially forcing her permission to get the youngest a passport as he didn't have one. Initially she tried to delay things by repeatedly sending blurry photos of her own passport meaning her passport number was blurred (this was required for the application and the court had ordered she send her passport details) or photos that were so dark you couldn't read it or had the light shining brightly onto the passport number so you couldn't see. However eventually DH asked her for the passport number in person while collecting DSC and she gave him it, I'd guess because DSC were there and she didn't want to appear the bad guy blocking their holiday. The delay meant we had to pay extra to have the passport fast-tracked to make sure we had it in time but that's fine, at least we got it. After this she seemed to be starting to play ball and we thought maybe she was starting to mellow and realise that good relations were in the best interests of the children. She seemed to be being positive about the holiday to the children so we thought we were starting to make steps forward. We were so wrong!

We got away to our destination fine. She sent an unusual text on the first day saying - I'll assume you're all happy then- we thought it was her trying to make a point about DH not having told her we'd arrived (they have bare minimum contact with one another so it wouldn't have occurred to message her, DSC live full time with us and there's no contact between DH and his ex unless necessary). DH just replied saying DSC were very happy and having a great time and that was that.

On coming back into the country we were stopped at border control. She had reported oldest DSC's passport as being stolen. Apparently this was done just prior to our trip but it wasn't checked on the system on the way out the country (just checked visually rather than scanned) so they didn't clock it, nor did the country we were entering as they just did the same. Border control told us that if they had scanned his passport on the way out then he wouldn't have been allowed to leave the country and we couldn't have gone away.
We tried not to let the kids hear anything when the border control guy was telling us what was going on but the oldest kept trying to listen in and picked up on what was happening. His wee face when he realised what was going on and said to me - I know what's happened, my mum reported it as lost. She said the other week that she couldn't find my passport and would need to report it- it actually broke my heart for him. He looked absolutely broken, just devastated as the realisation hit him.
His mum has never had his passport in her possession. She has never taken him away anywhere, DH got DSS his passport after they had split up and has been the only one to ever take him away (which was only once so this holiday was a big deal to him) and has always had the passport.

Five minutes later, after literally saying - I know who it was, my mum did it- (we had been making out like it was a mistake that it had been reported stolen and he was saying - no, mum did it) he then started saying - I wonder who could have reported my passport as being stolen? That's so strange? Who would report a random person's passport as lost or stolen? -
It's obviously his way of dealing with it, by pretending to himself that she didn't do it even when he knows and was the one to say himself it was her. We went along with this, agreeing that it was all really strange and not mentioning his mum despite us all knowing fine well it was her. It feels like we're always doing this. We never say negative things about their mum and it's like we're constantly having to hide her behaviour from DSC to protect them from it so they don't get hurt or affected by it.

But I just can't get over how someone can be so bitter and twisted that they would do this to their own child in an attempt to stop them from having a nice holiday with their dad. It's so fucked up. She was prepared for her children to be all excited for going away, and she was adding to their excitement by being encouraging about the holiday, and then be turned away at the airport. I'm so so glad that the passports weren't scanned on the way out because the kids would have been completely devastated.

What I find hard sometimes though is that the kids will so easily convince themselves that she's an angel. I know it's the right thing for us to cover for her behaviour if it means they're less affected by it. It's to protect them and shield them from it but it's hard when for example even after what happened today they are talking about how they are going to show their mum their holiday photos and teach her the new words they've learned, like she's done nothing, and my mind is just screaming at her. It's better for them to see her that way though, I know, but it's just so frustrating. I felt so much anger towards her today, seeing them sitting there all anxious waiting at border control for ages while it all got sorted (which it thankfully did as DH had brought all the court documents with us just incase although DSS's passport was impounded and we'll likely need to go to court again to get another one).

I hate having such a toxic person in our lives.

OP posts:
TheBigDilemma · 17/04/2022 19:44

@apricotlane

This bothers me because I don't think I could cope if another woman was mothering my child. She sounds awful but I honestly don't know if I could handle it at all as my need to be everything to my child is all-consuming (though I am aware of it and know that there are unhealthy aspects of it). Try a new approach? Working with her? That sounds ridiculous I know, I just hate fragmented family set-ups, they cause so many issues. Is it worth trying something different to what you've been doing so far...
So you are happy to hurt your children to establish you are the mother in such situation? that not love dear, is hating people around you far more than you love your kids.
springtimeishereagain · 17/04/2022 19:57

That's a truly awful thing to do.

I also think you need to be more honest - in an age-appropriate way - about things she has done, to avoid the dsc being confused. With the passport, I'd definitely say that their mum is the only person who could have reported the passport stolen. But then the dsc could ask why she would do this, and this gets murkier: 'Because your mum is evil and twisted and didn't want you going on holiday and didn't mind hurting you in the process'? Not ideal.

The dsc are lucky to have you

RandomMess · 17/04/2022 20:36

"Why did Mummy do x?"

"I'm not sure darling, why do you think they did?"

You then listen and hmmm and ah. Letting them do their critical thinking and reasoning is so important. It's the essence of the book I recommend.

They will become perceptive and it's important that they learn to hear "their truth" and trust in their instinct.

It's very unhealthy to convince DC to believe in lies etc especially when against their instinct.

apricotlane · 17/04/2022 20:37

@TheBigDilemma I'm saying it might drive me crackers tbh. I'm not saying I would exhibit this behaviour necessarily, but I would never accept a step-parent having influence over my child. I would experience true rage, yes. Not saying it's good, just speaking a truth about fragmented families and the impact on people.

TheBigDilemma · 17/04/2022 20:41

[quote apricotlane]@TheBigDilemma I'm saying it might drive me crackers tbh. I'm not saying I would exhibit this behaviour necessarily, but I would never accept a step-parent having influence over my child. I would experience true rage, yes. Not saying it's good, just speaking a truth about fragmented families and the impact on people.[/quote]
It is the same, you need to love your children more than you love yourself.

apricotlane · 17/04/2022 20:45

@Goawayangryman I consider it to be a problem with control and I am aware of it but I would not be able to allow another woman to exert influence over my child without great pain and suffering and I daresay it would lead me to some kind of emotional meltdown. I do not have a great deal of time for others' parenting or principles and consider myself the only person to be that role. So while I do not condone what this woman has done and she sounds like she is very badly behaved, I also imagine a scenario where my ex has a new woman who is stepparenting my child and it makes my blood boil. Not saying it's right, good or proper, it just is. Fortunately I will never be in that situation

apricotlane · 17/04/2022 20:52

@TheBigDilemma I don't buy that. This woman could have really been on by her partner and the new woman. And she has to just stick a grin on and say 'go ahead dear, play happy families with my husband and children'. She's behaved badly and of course it's not ok, I would recognise that I would have to overcome personal feelings for my child's sake in this particular scenario...I'm just musing on the crazy one's situation in all this.

Goawayangryman · 17/04/2022 20:59

@apricotlane what happens when your kids find influences outside the home? Friends? Peers? Partners?

Goawayangryman · 17/04/2022 21:01

Loving your children doesn't mean controlling them. It means setting them free. So egotistical to think we make them in our image.

apricotlane · 17/04/2022 21:06

@Goawayangryman Peers etc has never been an issue - though we've never had anyone I've thought to be a real bad influence. Though yes I have wondered how I will cope with partners if I don't approve say.

Like I say I'm aware of it and I don't relish it - it's a control issue for sure. But yes a stepmother would cause me real mental anguish to the point of a possible breakdown...so...just a different perspective possibly.

apricotlane · 17/04/2022 21:09

@Goawayangryman yes, but letting them go is something that happens gradually and age-appropriately. Having your ex invite another parental figure into their lives and having a life separate to you is like having them taken away. I don't believe it to be the same and I don't necessarily even think people should have to put up with it. We normalise it but I think it is very undesirable all-round.

Stripyhoglets1 · 17/04/2022 21:15

From looking at the document above your DH should report this to the police as a malicious cancellation.
Hopefully it can be recorded somewhere so she can't do it again.

Patchbatch · 17/04/2022 21:17

@apricotlane

This bothers me because I don't think I could cope if another woman was mothering my child. She sounds awful but I honestly don't know if I could handle it at all as my need to be everything to my child is all-consuming (though I am aware of it and know that there are unhealthy aspects of it). Try a new approach? Working with her? That sounds ridiculous I know, I just hate fragmented family set-ups, they cause so many issues. Is it worth trying something different to what you've been doing so far...
Well if you split with your partner you won't have any choice in the matter if he meets someone else, if you are implying you'd also be vindictive to the detriment of your children then you should address those issues as that's really sad for them. OP sounds level headed, caring, sensible and clever- I am sure they have tried working with the ex, the onus is on their mum to put the children before her weird bitterness
apricotlane · 17/04/2022 21:23

It's ok, I will never split with my partner. So the scenario cannot occur.

I don't know that children shouldn't know how much divorce and stepparent crap affects people other than this faux acceptance of these awful set-ups. Then maybe they will work on their own marriages. We make these scenarios normal but they ain't all that. Women are likely to be left by some men. Why should they have to 'put-up' with this so kiddies can go to disneyland and the new family parents can absolve themselves of the pain and suffering they have caused another person and pretend she doesn't exist. Maybe people should just not think that people are disposable and that families and kids are interchangeable.

Goawayangryman · 17/04/2022 21:24

Letting them go... I don't identify with this. They were never mine really. They are themselves. They're both so like me and their dad that I don't have to shape them to be like me/him. If their dad met someone new (seaprated) then it's all to the good because they have someone else that loves them in their lives.

If that person was malign that is one thing, but the OP here sounds great: caring and thinks about stuff.

Goawayangryman · 17/04/2022 21:29

@apricotlane eh??

How do you know you will never split?? What happens if your partner fucks off and finds a younger model? Pride comes before a fall and all that.

Either way I don't think making the OP feel shit for her reality is the way to go really.

apricotlane · 17/04/2022 21:34

@Goawayangryman I get that way of thinking but I disagree. Parents are fundamentally important and a new best buddy in the form of another Mum is not an easy or desirable thing to navigate for many people.

redastherose · 17/04/2022 21:35

My DP's exW did precisely this to him and his dc many years ago. They are now all adults and it was long before I knew him but he was taking dc on holiday and she 'lost' his DS's passport. He wasn't able to go and had to watch his sister go on holiday with their dad without him because of her spite. He was supposed to be taking them both diving so she cost a fortune and ruined a family holiday for the 3 of them. His DS has since said he knows she did it on purpose.

apricotlane · 17/04/2022 21:36

@Goawayangryman My husband died some time ago.

But you have put your finger on it - men do 'fuck off and find younger models' and I don't see why women have to just put up with that because it has been normalised culturally.

Goawayangryman · 17/04/2022 21:42

@apricotlane very sorry about your husband

I'm actually not sure about blended families at all, rarely in favour of the kids. I have made the choice not to do that for my kids. Had my shot, fucked it up, kids don't need to cohabit with my second chance partnter...

Getyourarseofffthequattro · 17/04/2022 21:49

[quote apricotlane]@Goawayangryman My husband died some time ago.

But you have put your finger on it - men do 'fuck off and find younger models' and I don't see why women have to just put up with that because it has been normalised culturally.[/quote]
Put up with what? Your husband moving on? (General yours)

Some blended families can work. They don't work when one party tries to fuck it up, like in this situation.

As a "younger model" (bit offensive) I can say that actually, I've treated dps child better than his own mother has.

Lismoa · 17/04/2022 21:50
This is exactly what we needed to know, thank you.
OP posts:
apricotlane · 17/04/2022 21:50

@Goawayangryman so does your partner have another partner?

Getyourarseofffthequattro · 17/04/2022 21:53

[quote apricotlane]@Goawayangryman Peers etc has never been an issue - though we've never had anyone I've thought to be a real bad influence. Though yes I have wondered how I will cope with partners if I don't approve say.

Like I say I'm aware of it and I don't relish it - it's a control issue for sure. But yes a stepmother would cause me real mental anguish to the point of a possible breakdown...so...just a different perspective possibly.[/quote]
This must be very hard for your children!