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Is it okay to admit that you'd leave if DSC ever had to come live with you full time?

591 replies

JustGreatThatIs · 11/08/2021 11:23

Whilst I do like my DSC, I just don't think I'd enjoy a life where they lived with us all of the tjme and so I believe that whilst I'd give it my best shot, it could inevitably lead to the end of me and DH.

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KylieKoKo · 14/08/2021 13:14

[quote StarDrawers]@KylieKoKo ha! That's great! Where did you find it?What does the really long one say on the end of the 4th row down?[/quote]
I saw it on here I think. I was reminded of it by that posters insults, including saying we were mercenary Grin

The long one says dh raised by DD since she was 8 days old and you are therefore unreasonable for not feeling the same way about your 11 year old step daughter.

StarDrawers · 14/08/2021 13:16

Hahaha!

I'm going to remember that next time one gets trotted out and try and just let it go over me. But it does get me down. Like I'M TRYING!

aSofaNearYou · 14/08/2021 13:20

@BadMotherLover

I think this is a toxic discussion. I am shocked by the inhumanity being expressed towards step children on this thread. It is all about the happiness of the current wife/partner. No wonder step mothers have such a bad reputation. Sorry, unpopular view I know....
It's not an unpopular view, it's just a really stupid one.
aSofaNearYou · 14/08/2021 13:27

@Marmitemarinaded

A marriage divorcing because the Non RP wants/needs to become the RP?

Wow. They must really not want to live with their partners children!!

Jesus, you've been on this thread for days, why are you STILL saying this as if it's somehow shocking? You seem to be under the impression that living with someone full time when you don't want to is no big deal and therefore it's some kind of overreaction. It's a massive, fundamental part of a person's life. So of course if you don't want to live with someone, you REALLY don't want to live with them.
chocolatesaltyballs22 · 14/08/2021 13:30

Am late to the thread but agree with what lots of other SMs have said. I married my husband on the basis that his eldest was about to go to uni, and his contact with the youngest was 3 days a week. If he had been a full time dad to them I would not have married him as I simply don't want to live with someone else's kids full time.

The youngest is going home tonight and having picked up after him for 3 days (because I somehow notice things that his dad doesn't) I will be heaving a sigh of relief and enjoying my 4 DSS free nights.

aSofaNearYou · 14/08/2021 13:43

@SpaceshiptoMars

Again, some posters on here need to go take a long hard look at themselves and think about what they are actively telling other women (in the main) that they should do for ‘love.’

People here are effectively saying:

"It's OK for me to divorce this man because he's utterly unlivable with, but if I die, you are not allowed to. Ever. Because if you do, my children will suffer."

This really sums it up.
Woodmarsh · 14/08/2021 13:47

It's not even specific to the kids, I can't really think of any one I want to live with full time other than OH

LoadsOfShite · 14/08/2021 21:33

@BadMotherLover

I think this is a toxic discussion. I am shocked by the inhumanity being expressed towards step children on this thread. It is all about the happiness of the current wife/partner. No wonder step mothers have such a bad reputation. Sorry, unpopular view I know....
I'm a bit confused why you would think anyone should not centre their own happiness when it comes to staying in a relationship or not. If you're not happy and can't see yourself being again, you should leave.
Magda72 · 15/08/2021 07:33

@BadMotherLover your posts, especially the last one, are bang out of order!
Your 'argument' is based solely on the fact that you seem to believe that the only people entitled to priority in a blended situation are the stepchildren. No one else, including a mother's own resident children, is to be shown any consideration - only the step children.
It's actually people like you with your blanket refusal to believe that their is life for families outside of stepchildren who give stepmothers a bad name, & it's also people like you who persist on fuelling the tired old stereotype of the evil stepmother!
And it's people like you who have a lot of stepmothers in tears of frustration, battling MH & self esteem issues because NOTHING they do (including potentially leaving a relationship, often for everyone's sake) will ever be right or good enough in your eyes.

BadMotherLover · 15/08/2021 10:08

@magda72 All the children should be the priority here. Please don't attribute views to me that I didn't write.

Magda72 · 15/08/2021 10:12

Well if all the children should be priorities here why are you only speaking of the treatment of stepchildren??!

Magda72 · 15/08/2021 10:12

Well if all the children should be priorities here why are you only speaking of the treatment of stepchildren??!

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 15/08/2021 10:13

[quote BadMotherLover]@magda72 All the children should be the priority here. Please don't attribute views to me that I didn't write. [/quote]
I agree with you. Marrying someone with children is accepting that, at some point, you may need to house them full time.
It’s fair enough to feel blindsided by a change in your marital circumstances but pre-existing children shouldn’t come as that much of a shock.

aSofaNearYou · 15/08/2021 10:16

I agree with you. Marrying someone with children is accepting that, at some point, you may need to house them full time.
It’s fair enough to feel blindsided by a change in your marital circumstances but pre-existing children shouldn’t come as that much of a shock.

No, it means accepting that at some point THEY might need to house their children full time. There's absolutely no rule saying that you yourself have to be involved or live under the same roof.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 15/08/2021 10:18

@aSofaNearYou

*I agree with you. Marrying someone with children is accepting that, at some point, you may need to house them full time. It’s fair enough to feel blindsided by a change in your marital circumstances but pre-existing children shouldn’t come as that much of a shock.*

No, it means accepting that at some point THEY might need to house their children full time. There's absolutely no rule saying that you yourself have to be involved or live under the same roof.

If the stepparent feels this way, I believe the spouse should be aware of upfront. Before marriage.
aSofaNearYou · 15/08/2021 10:21

If the stepparent feels this way, I believe the spouse should be aware of upfront. Before marriage.

Yes, lots of us have already talked about our partner's and spouses being fully aware of these feelings. It's a non issue.

But still, feelings, behaviour and dynamics can change over time, so it's perfectly possible and reasonable for a step parent to only get to the point where they would feel this way after marriage.

StarDrawers · 15/08/2021 10:22

If the stepparent feels this way, I believe the spouse should be aware of upfront. Before marriage. I sort of agree with you but where do you draw the line? If I'd probably leave DH if he gets a severe addiction, or has an affair do I need to spell this out too? DH's ex left him as she found someone else, should she have warned him of that before marriage?

StarDrawers · 15/08/2021 10:24

it's perfectly possible and reasonable for a step parent to only get to the point where they would feel this way after marriage. another very good point. I don't think anyone should feel trapped in a relationship if they want to leave for whatever reason. You only get one shot at life.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 15/08/2021 10:26

Your spouse developing a severe addiction, or has an affair are not pre-existing are they?

It would be reasonable to have that conversation if they had a history of addiction or marital affairs, wouldn’t it?

aSofaNearYou · 15/08/2021 10:35

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

Your spouse developing a severe addiction, or has an affair are not pre-existing are they?

It would be reasonable to have that conversation if they had a history of addiction or marital affairs, wouldn’t it?

Yes but the children living there full time, changes in dynamic, and changes in behaviour from the children etc are all not pre-existing either. If you marry a man when his child is three you have no idea if you could cope with living with them as a troubled teenager eith behavioural issues. You haven't really thought the realities of this through.
LoadsOfShite · 15/08/2021 10:35

Still not understanding why poster's think it would be better for someone to stay unhappy in a relationship? The post about centering your own happiness... As if thats what anyone who leaves a marriage or relationship for a whole range of reasons isn't doing.

The children themselves are of course pre existing. Them living with you is not though, in the circumstances we're discussing. It may be more likely than other things that would end your relationship but I don't think anyone should have to justify to other why they want to leave a relationship they are in and I certainly don't see why a step parent should prioritise the happiness of children who aren't theirs in a decision as serious as staying in a marriage in which they aren't happy. You get one life, I wouldn't be staying in a marriage I was unhappy in for anyone. Plenty of people don't stay in them when their own kids are involved!

KylieKoKo · 15/08/2021 10:41

Plenty of people don't stay in them when their own kids are involved

No but for some reason on Mumsnet step mums are held to a higher standard than mums.

There are many examples of this.
For example a mother having a moan about her child's behaviour is met with sympathy but a step mum doing the same is cold.
Another example is that if a mother needs a break then the step mum should cancel plans to facilitate this of dad is unwilling. However, step mums who have been left looking after children alone who need a break are not allowed to drop kids back at mum's.

I think some posters just like to see step mum's unhappy because they can't bear the thought of the father of their children being happy with someone else. It's pure projection.

sassbott · 15/08/2021 10:42

@Magda72 I completely echo what you have said.

As I’ve said before, I increasingly think there are two sets of parents. Those who have a healthy grounded point of view of their children’s pecking order in the world. And those who don’t. Those who don’t are the ones using emotive words like
‘mercenary, selfish, entitled, princesses’ (I can go on but I won’t), are very emotive and provocative words designed to provoke a very strong emotional response in posters/ step parents.

The key for us more experienced posters now (who know that this is complete BS), is to not react to these provocative statements but to pick them apart, so that SP’s lacking our experience don’t take comments to heart and feel that these things are true about them.

I know that when I knew no better and was midst these battles myself, these words/ comments cut deep and it resulted in (as you have rightly said), causing my mental health and well being to deteriorate rapidly. At times I felt I was going mad feeling the way I did and having the concerns I had re my own children/ my family life.

Fast forward a few years and a break up, and I cannot even begin to describe how different a person I am. I have mentally, emotionally (and physically) been able to completely separate my partners issues with his exw/ children from my own personal life. I feel not one compunction of guilt, shame, selfish, entitled or anything else remotely negative. I personally feel proud for reaching the point i have. Where I have complete clarity about what I need and my family needs and how I can support/ love my partner without losing sight of those needs amongst his conflict/ dysfunction. I am also completely and unapologetically clear about where his children sit in my priority list and they are quite far down. I will support my partner as best I can. I will help out adhoc if he needs it, of course I would. I will always be warm and welcoming, kind and consistent. If I treat my children when we are together I will treat his. I would behave the same if any other child was in my environment. I will enjoy their company and hopefully they will enjoy mine - when we see each other the priority is to create happy memories for everyone and whatever grows from that organically is what will be. Beyond those simple parameters, his children are not my concern.

I feel the need to address the mercenary comment (as money often comes up on these boards). I have thought about this and i agree, I am completely mercenary. Again I make zero apologies for it. The assets I have post divorce are through my own hard graft. The people who pay the greatest price of my working hard are my own children and obviously myself. I have zero intention of working as hard as I do, for my money in anyway to provide for children that are not mine.

A poster (my apologies I forgot the name of the poster), posted a very brilliant point that none of us have picked up/ continued the conversation about. And it is very relevant and in case law, has precedent, so a step parent could very easily see themselves financially screwed if stepchildren came to live with them FT and they were the High earner who provided a home to these children. In the event of a divorce (years later), these step parents could very easily see themselves having to pay maintenance/ costs for these children as courts would view them has ‘family’ and accordingly rule that that financial upkeep would need to continue.

Step parents did not make the decision to procreate and bring these children into the world. Other adults did. Unless a step parent steps in and adopts/ takes PR over a step child, they are under absolutely zero obligation to provide anything for these children. Anything they choose to do by choice is that and that alone.

I hope more step parents early on in their journey listen to some of the experienced/ longer term posters on here and take our messages away with them. If of course, your choice is that you want to provide/ be hands on, great! So long as that is your choice and your choice alone. If you don’t want to, that’s fine too.

We may be with someone who has children, that does not make us sacrificial lambs to serve other people (including children). Always be kind, inclusive, fair, warm and welcoming. If you’re struggling to do that (which I did for a period of time), step away and ask yourself what needs to change for you to feel better/ happier/ calmer.

sassbott · 15/08/2021 10:49

@Iamclaracowbell posted this

I wonder about the divorce point too. I'm the higher earner and put most of the equity into our house / pay a bigger share of the mortgage etc. I fully accept that DH would be entitled to 50% as a start point in event of divorce (we have no DCs together). But say the SDCs moved in and we divorced later...even though they are not my children would he then be entitled to stay in the house/ receive a larger share of the equity / be able to claim CM from me? A friend of mine got divorced a while back and because his SDCs dad wasn't in the picture his settlement reflected that they were 'children of the family' and in addition to their DM receiving pretty much all the equity in the house, he was ordered to pay part of the cost of putting them through Uni (one was ready there and the other about to go)

This is the point I was raising (as we were busy responding to the provocative points). We missed discussing this very real ramification to step parents in the event they did live FT with their SC. So for myself (who is also the higher earner at this stage), the ramifications to my saying to my partner ‘oh my word, your poor children, we must live together’ also holds very real ramifications for my own children’s inheritance and my own future financial security. Again this is where I hold my hands up and confess that I am completely mercenary because I wouldn’t put myself in that situation.

aSofaNearYou · 15/08/2021 10:58

@sassbott Step parents being expected to pay maintenance following a split is not something I have ever encountered, but if it is true, I am absolutely appalled.