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DP’s Ex demanding I do childcare

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SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 11:15

DP and his ex have an EOW arrangement with SCs, and SCs come for dinner a couple of times a week too but don’t stay over.

DP’s job has always involved some night shift work and he has to do it generally in 3 month chunks twice a year, so he does nights for 6 months of the year. It has been like this for the last 20 years or so and far predates his prior relationship with his ex and obviously was the case before he met me.

When he does night shifts they are full nights from Monday - Friday, which means he sleeps until Saturday afternoon and his weekend is essentially Saturday afternoon until Monday afternoon.

DP did the first 3 month night shift stint from October and it was the first time he had worked nights since we had moved in together. I naively agreed to look after his kids on the Friday nights he was working when it was his contact weekend with SCs.

The reason being is he was told he was going on nights with very short notice and I said it wasn’t really fair to spring it on his ex when she might have made plans for those Fridays in the run up to Christmas and I know how annoying it is when my own ex chops and changes contact arrangements because of changing shift patterns.

So I covered every Friday - Saturday afternoon on our weekend with SCs to be helpful and make everyone’s lives easier... except of course my own.

DP is going back on nights in March and I’ve told him I’m not willing to do it this time. His ex is incredibly hostile towards me and the facts are that no one benefits from me babysitting the kids except her.

DP doesn’t benefit from it.
My SCs don’t benefit from it as their dad isn’t here
I don’t benefit from it and actually find it a bit much.
My kids don’t benefit from it.

The only person who benefits from it is his ex so I’m unwilling to give up my free time so she can have free time.

I work full time in a very pressured job and have been homeschooling 2 primary aged children through lockdown. DP’s ex doesn’t work and the kids are in secondary school so I definitely have it harder in that sense.

DP spoke to his ex and said about the nightshifts starting again and said he would be able to have SCs from when he wakes up on the Saturday, keep them the remainder of the weekend, take them to school on the Monday and also pick them up from school and have dinner with them before dropping them home on his way to work around 6pm on the Monday evening.
That way he still has them 2 nights, they’re spending time with their dad which is what the contact is actually for and I also get every Friday to spend alone with my own children and relax after a long working week.

Before we lived together this was the arrangement when he worked nights.

His ex has hit the roof saying “Why can’t spongebob have them like before?”. DP said because she’s working all week and I’m not here to spend time with them.

I’ve since had awful messages from her (she’s blocked now) calling me selfish, saying she needs a break etc. I responded only to say that I also need a break, I am not their parent and it’s up to DP and her to sort it out between themselves. I’m not a free on demand babysitter and I’m unwilling to do favours for someone who is rude, abuse and outwardly hostile towards me. She will literally ignore me if I say hello to her.

Well she’s like a dog with a bone. Now the kids are saying “mum says you’re being out of order. It’s not fair on her”.

Am I being unreasonable here? The suggested arrangement whilst DP works nights has stood in place for the last 10 years since they split apart from the most recent stint where I covered it.

The kids will be back at school when the nightshifts start which means ex will have a minimum of 30 hours a week of free time. I’ll be working full time, juggling childcare pick ups etc for my own 2 children.

I don’t think I’m being unreasonable to say I’m not giving up my free time to give her more free time.

OP posts:
DinoHat · 01/03/2021 14:17

That your DP and his ex are flexible with contact

The operative words being “DP” and “EX” this thread is about OP not providing childcare.

ohpleaseyourself · 01/03/2021 14:25

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ILoveYou3000 · 01/03/2021 14:32

I think it's you who needs to get a grip. Starting a thread where you know you're not unreasonable, purely to have a good old laugh and bitch about the ex, as per usual.

@ohpleaseyourself

OP clearly started the thread to make sure she wasn't being unreasonable. It's very common to doubt yourself when you say no to something if you're a good person. Even if you're 99% sure, there's always that niggling doubt.

Think you're a little embarrassed at how wrong you've got it so are now just being a bit silly.

ohpleaseyourself · 01/03/2021 14:38

@ILoveYou3000

I think it's you who needs to get a grip. Starting a thread where you know you're not unreasonable, purely to have a good old laugh and bitch about the ex, as per usual.

@ohpleaseyourself

OP clearly started the thread to make sure she wasn't being unreasonable. It's very common to doubt yourself when you say no to something if you're a good person. Even if you're 99% sure, there's always that niggling doubt.

Think you're a little embarrassed at how wrong you've got it so are now just being a bit silly.

I'm not embarrassed at all. Whatever else OP wants to twist on, she intentionally let people think the kids were far younger on that other thread, because she knew a 15yo wouldn't be getting upset or need supervised like she claimed - they could actually have been quite helpful. She just didn't want them there, so had to embellish. So forgive me for doubting her version of anything. Smile
SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 14:39

@ohpleaseyourself so you think I’m not being unreasonable? Then why are you continually trying to attack my posts? Confused

I posted here because it’s a good sounding board to talk with other women who are stepmums. I don’t have any friends who are stepparents so this board is helpful to sometimes just talk things through with others and/or vent because I can’t do it in real life.

OP posts:
MuddleMoo · 01/03/2021 14:40

How are people thinking the OP is in the wrong here!?

SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 14:42

@ohpleaseyourself and your previous thread states that you are a bitch even though you try not to be... perhaps today is also one of those days.

OP posts:
MuddleMoo · 01/03/2021 14:42

In the very first post OP makes clear she is asking if she is being unreasonable. The fact they are even asking suggests to me that they care about doing what is fair and not letting their personal feelings get in the way.

SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 14:45

Thank you @MuddleMoo.
When you’ve got someone acting with such venom towards you, you can end up questioning your own sanity.

OP posts:
SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 14:47

Also anyone who has read my previous threads on this board would know exactly why it would have been stressful to have the kids here during moving day.
We did end up having all the kids for a takeaway dinner but not staying over anyway. But no beds + whiny kids + tools everywhere + no food/kitchen utensils = disaster

OP posts:
ILoveYou3000 · 01/03/2021 15:04

I'm not embarrassed at all. Whatever else OP wants to twist on, she intentionally let people think the kids were far younger on that other thread, because she knew a 15yo wouldn't be getting upset or need supervised like she claimed - they could actually have been quite helpful. She just didn't want them there, so had to embellish. So forgive me for doubting her version of anything.

There was one reply from the OP saying 'Primary age' which both of her children and the youngest SC were at the time. She's already explained why she felt leaving it at that was better than 'one is primary age, the other is a teenager but won't be any help at all'.

You're just determined to find fault and try to trip OP up. Most people on here adjust ages/sexes etc to maintain some anonymity. Everything with the OP other than that one 'primary age' response (which wasn't a lie) remains consistent.

MuddleMoo · 01/03/2021 15:08

I'm not sure why previous threads are being dragged up. The issue in the OP is clear.

Sillysandy · 01/03/2021 15:15

@Happymum12345

Why can’t you look after them? I’ve probably missed the point somewhere. I thought when you are with someone who has children you know what you’re taking on. It doesn’t seem worth being in a relay if you can’t support you partners children.
Oh wow
ihavenowords30 · 01/03/2021 15:31

@SpongebobNoPants I have had exactly the same issue almost identical, my partner works nights so the kids sleeping arrangement is set at EOW fri after school still Monday takes to school.

They also come every Thursday for tea but go home when dad goes to work at night.

Since e learning and I was working from home the kids mentioned that it made sense for them to sleep the Thursday night they come for tea when it's weekend with dad.. which I had to admit did make sense because they are going home at 7 to come back the next day at 1ish. I had never had them here without dad but he felt to couldn't refuse and asked me if it would be ok so I agreed and it to be fair was fine. Then suddenly it started with the Thursday that fell on not our weekend why don't they just stay over anyway? Which he said no cause it would mean driving them home after e learning Friday??

Now it's in the holidays they should be able to stay with me mid week and why is that a problem etc so I feel like I've gave an inch and being took advantage off.. I've not agreed to any extra bits it's frustrating none the less

SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 15:36

@ihavenowords30 it’s hard isn’t it because you get backed into a corner and railroaded into agreeing to things you’re not comfortable.
If you manage to establish some boundaries and say no then you end up being portrayed as uncaring or unwelcoming. Just look at how many times on this thread it’s been said that my SCs are unwanted?!

Do you having the backing of your DH when you say no?

OP posts:
ihavenowords30 · 01/03/2021 15:54

@SpongebobNoPants to be honest yes and no... he finally understood that my not wanting to have the children only (obviously) a few hours here and there was fine but especially not overnight was because I don't want the responsibility, him and the kids mum have no relationship whatsoever and argue over a lot of things so I didn't feel comfortable being In sole charge. So he understands this and is supportive but he struggles saying no to the kids as they are the ones that ask themselves now as he feels they should be able to come and go to to both homes... all mid teens so don't require parenting as such but I'm still not majorly comfortable and I refuse to be on eggshells in my own home.

He daughter asked to spend one week here and one week at mums during e learning and I said outright I wasn't ok with that as it would mean 4 day/ nights alone whilst WFH and keeping my toddler away from her while she's trying to study also.

The kids mum also doesn't work so it's frustrates me her being happy for them to make these requests!

Out internet is much better and we have a lot more space here so I do appreciate that and I am fine with the Thursday night in our own, and I'd be happy to do the other odd night / day if needed but I'm not getting in a routine with their ages they don't need it and can be at mums regardless of any situation there in my eyes they should be here when their dad is here... although we do have a bio child together so me saying no is Indirectly keeping them from a sibling extra time 🙄🙄

LouJ85 · 01/03/2021 16:05

@SpongebobNoPants

Thank you *@MuddleMoo*. When you’ve got someone acting with such venom towards you, you can end up questioning your own sanity.

I've just had this exact same experience OP on the Mother's Day thread. The absolute venom being thrown at me on there, including shaming of my own experience of PND. Disgusting. How do these people sleep at night the way they speak to others? Confused

LouJ85 · 01/03/2021 16:07

[quote SpongebobNoPants]@ohpleaseyourself and your previous thread states that you are a bitch even though you try not to be... perhaps today is also one of those days.[/quote]

Grin
MuddleMoo · 01/03/2021 16:11

@LouJ85 sorry to hear that. PND is awful so Flowers for you. I'm avoiding the mother's day thread as I had a feeling things might get nasty. Step Parents are people too!

LouJ85 · 01/03/2021 16:27

@MuddleMoo
Thank you. It was just one poster in particular- their posts have been removed now and thankfully so have they.

MeridianB · 01/03/2021 17:25

[quote MuddleMoo]@LouJ85 sorry to hear that. PND is awful so Flowers for you. I'm avoiding the mother's day thread as I had a feeling things might get nasty. Step Parents are people too![/quote]
Very wise. It’s a zoo over there... ☹️

muppette · 02/03/2021 21:26

Just look at how many times on this thread it’s been said that my SCs are unwanted?!

Yes apparently not wanted by their own mum on a Friday night?!

I cannot imagine brainwashing my kids so they think they have a right to go to their step mum so I can have Friday night to myself. Madness.

These kids are his and hers. So they need to talk and sort it, and talk to the kids. If SC spoke like that to me I wouldn't put up with it. There must at least be respect. Nobody seems to respect you. You're right to say no. 👍

PringleMcDingle · 03/03/2021 07:28

The thing that really fucks me off about replies like @IceCreamAndCandyfloss, the 'why can't you just do it' type replies, is that they completely ignore the fact that the ex is treating OP appallingly. And I don't mean by simply asking if she'll have them on the Friday, I mean by the reaction when OP has said no.

Why on earth would you do a favour for someone who treats you that way? Are people like this always such doormats? There are times when being the bigger person may be appropriate, this is not one of them imo. All it does is show someone like this that they can walk all over you, treat you poorly and you'll still say how high when they say jump. No.

I actually wouldn't have a problem doing this. But that is purely because I like my husband's ex, she is nice to me, has never sent me abusive messages or bad mouthed me to the children etc... I have absolutely no problem doing her a favour because we get on.

That would change very fucking quickly if she ever thought it was okay to speak to me or treat me in the way OPs DHs ex treats her. In fact every single act of support from me toward her and my DH (if he didn't deal with it) would be withdrawn sharpish the minute she did anything like this.

You don't have to be such a pushover just because step children are involved for goodness sake. Have a bit of self respect and stand up for yourself! Yes I like my SC, I don't mind doing things for them, but I'm not a doormat there for everyone else's convenience that people can speak to and treat however they like.

YANBU OP.

MyCatHatesEverybody · 03/03/2021 08:10

Well said @PringleMcDingle!

funinthesun19 · 03/03/2021 08:55

I actually wouldn't have a problem doing this. But that is purely because I like my husband's ex, she is nice to me, has never sent me abusive messages or bad mouthed me to the children etc... I have absolutely no problem doing her a favour because we get on.

I think this is crucial if a mum expects her children’s stepmum to do anything for her. Why would you lift a finger for someone who has such an appealing attitude towards you and your children?

People will bleat on about putting the children first no matter how the ex behaves. But I’m sorry, it doesn’t work like that. Why is it all on the stepmum to be the bigger person? Why can’t the mum be a fucking nice person in the first place?
There would be no way I would have given up my time to help my ex’s ex wife unless it was an absolute dire emergency. Because of her attitude towards me right from the beginning. Having to deal with the sarcastic, smug comments and then some down right nasty and twisted comments over the years really did kill my motivation to do anything for her.