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DP’s Ex demanding I do childcare

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SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 11:15

DP and his ex have an EOW arrangement with SCs, and SCs come for dinner a couple of times a week too but don’t stay over.

DP’s job has always involved some night shift work and he has to do it generally in 3 month chunks twice a year, so he does nights for 6 months of the year. It has been like this for the last 20 years or so and far predates his prior relationship with his ex and obviously was the case before he met me.

When he does night shifts they are full nights from Monday - Friday, which means he sleeps until Saturday afternoon and his weekend is essentially Saturday afternoon until Monday afternoon.

DP did the first 3 month night shift stint from October and it was the first time he had worked nights since we had moved in together. I naively agreed to look after his kids on the Friday nights he was working when it was his contact weekend with SCs.

The reason being is he was told he was going on nights with very short notice and I said it wasn’t really fair to spring it on his ex when she might have made plans for those Fridays in the run up to Christmas and I know how annoying it is when my own ex chops and changes contact arrangements because of changing shift patterns.

So I covered every Friday - Saturday afternoon on our weekend with SCs to be helpful and make everyone’s lives easier... except of course my own.

DP is going back on nights in March and I’ve told him I’m not willing to do it this time. His ex is incredibly hostile towards me and the facts are that no one benefits from me babysitting the kids except her.

DP doesn’t benefit from it.
My SCs don’t benefit from it as their dad isn’t here
I don’t benefit from it and actually find it a bit much.
My kids don’t benefit from it.

The only person who benefits from it is his ex so I’m unwilling to give up my free time so she can have free time.

I work full time in a very pressured job and have been homeschooling 2 primary aged children through lockdown. DP’s ex doesn’t work and the kids are in secondary school so I definitely have it harder in that sense.

DP spoke to his ex and said about the nightshifts starting again and said he would be able to have SCs from when he wakes up on the Saturday, keep them the remainder of the weekend, take them to school on the Monday and also pick them up from school and have dinner with them before dropping them home on his way to work around 6pm on the Monday evening.
That way he still has them 2 nights, they’re spending time with their dad which is what the contact is actually for and I also get every Friday to spend alone with my own children and relax after a long working week.

Before we lived together this was the arrangement when he worked nights.

His ex has hit the roof saying “Why can’t spongebob have them like before?”. DP said because she’s working all week and I’m not here to spend time with them.

I’ve since had awful messages from her (she’s blocked now) calling me selfish, saying she needs a break etc. I responded only to say that I also need a break, I am not their parent and it’s up to DP and her to sort it out between themselves. I’m not a free on demand babysitter and I’m unwilling to do favours for someone who is rude, abuse and outwardly hostile towards me. She will literally ignore me if I say hello to her.

Well she’s like a dog with a bone. Now the kids are saying “mum says you’re being out of order. It’s not fair on her”.

Am I being unreasonable here? The suggested arrangement whilst DP works nights has stood in place for the last 10 years since they split apart from the most recent stint where I covered it.

The kids will be back at school when the nightshifts start which means ex will have a minimum of 30 hours a week of free time. I’ll be working full time, juggling childcare pick ups etc for my own 2 children.

I don’t think I’m being unreasonable to say I’m not giving up my free time to give her more free time.

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ThumbWitchesAbroad · 01/03/2021 11:13

I'm also fascinated by the number of posters trying to paint anyone other than the exW as the problem here.

OP did her a favour just before Christmas as a kindness and because things changed. ExW has decided that OP should continue with this, despite being rude as fuck to OP whenever opportunity arises.

OP doesn't want to because doesn't want to be looking after her SC and trying to enforce bed times and no more devices etc. without their father there to do it. I understand this ENTIRELY. OP has younger children herself - if they see their step siblings mucking up, or being allowed to do whatever because they won't listen to OP, it's hardly a cracking example to them, is it? So OP then has FOUR children to deal with in terms of devices, bed times, behaviour etc.

Totally understandable that she wouldn't want to do this after a week's full work - especially as the SC would appear to be resistant to doing as asked and behaving themselves appropriately (Lying being just one thing, but a big one).

SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 11:14

@Youllbeoldertoo well she says it in front of them regularly, which is a bit shit. But I think they’re pretty resilient to it.
Like I said, she’s not a terrible mother. She’s very different to me and definitely makes choices I wouldn’t make for my own children, but they’re her choices to make I suppose.
We have different values and principles.

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LouJ85 · 01/03/2021 11:15

I hate the amount of people on here (not just on this thread) who think it's totally reasonable to demand their ex's partner look after their kids so they can have 'free time'. They'd never expect that from anybody else in their lives would they? Doubt that they scream at their kids' grandparents or their own friends if they don't want to babysit for them.*

Same - I don't get it either. Except my DP's ex is SO entitled that she did, in fact, shout at /fall out with DP's mother when she was told she was unable to dump the kids there. 🙈
So you can imagine the level of entitlement we get if that's aimed at a non-parent!

MessAllOver · 01/03/2021 11:18

@SpongebobNoPants. Just to be clear, I don't think there's anything wrong with 'rubbing along fine' with SC - you don't have to like and adore someone else's children, only be pleasant to them when they visit their dad (which I'm sure you are).

It just makes it a bit bizarre. In SC's shoes, I'd feel very odd visiting without my dad there if there's not much of a relationship between you and them. As for the mum, I can't imagine wanting a break so much that I'd send my own DC somewhere they weren't particularly wanted or welcome just so I could have more time to myself.

purplebagladylovesgin · 01/03/2021 11:20

I was babysitting in the early 80's as a 14 year old volunteered by my mother. I had a proper booked baby sitting service at 16. I worked every weekend I could to save for things.

Can't the 16 year old mind the younger one at her house on Friday nights twice a month? It's not a big ask.

SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 11:22

We do have a nice relationship although I’ve found it more strained since we lived together because DP and I have both had to enforce some house rules and personal boundaries in order for us to function happily. There’s been a bit of resistance from his kids in particular to these new rules though and I think they blame me even though they were mutually agreed between DP and I.

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SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 11:25

Can't the 16 year old mind the younger one at her house on Friday nights twice a month? It's not a big ask
Honestly? They’d kill each other. They don’t get along at all and refereeing is required frequently.
I don’t blame their mum for not wanting to leave them alone together, I certainly wouldn’t.
It’s one of the reasons we have the 12yo most weekends.

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Dontbeme · 01/03/2021 11:25

I would be nopeing out of this relationship to be honest, who wants this much agro in their lives, this is all for your DP to sort and I wouldn't even have the kids after school until he came home for dinner in the week, they had a working routine before you came along OP they could all stick to it.

Bibidy · 01/03/2021 11:40

[quote MessAllOver]@SpongebobNoPants. Just to be clear, I don't think there's anything wrong with 'rubbing along fine' with SC - you don't have to like and adore someone else's children, only be pleasant to them when they visit their dad (which I'm sure you are).

It just makes it a bit bizarre. In SC's shoes, I'd feel very odd visiting without my dad there if there's not much of a relationship between you and them. As for the mum, I can't imagine wanting a break so much that I'd send my own DC somewhere they weren't particularly wanted or welcome just so I could have more time to myself.[/quote]
I feel like this is a bit harsh. Even though you've said you're sure OP is nice to them, the implication is still that the children feel unwelcome and that they don't have a relationship with OP.

I have a great personal relationship with my SCs but equally I wouldn't be happy regularly looking after them when my DP wasn't around. It's just not something I want to do and it's not my responsibility.

I would happily watch them for my DP if he had to pop out for something, but I wouldn't have them alone for an extra evening and night when he's not even around. It's nothing to do with the relationship I have with them or them not being welcome at all.

LouJ85 · 01/03/2021 11:54

*I have a great personal relationship with my SCs but equally I wouldn't be happy regularly looking after them when my DP wasn't around. It's just not something I want to do and it's not my responsibility.

I would happily watch them for my DP if he had to pop out for something, but I wouldn't have them alone for an extra evening and night when he's not even around. It's nothing to do with the relationship I have with them or them not being welcome at all.*

Exact same. I don't dislike my SC, I just don't want to be left with the responsibility of looking after them alone, for many reasons which I won't go into. Doesn't mean they feel any less welcome - in fact they probably feel more comfortable and welcome because their Dad is always here when they are. That's ultimately who they want and need to see. Not me. I'm around, I'm presented, I'm welcoming. But they honestly couldn't care less if I was or I wasn't I don't think!

LouJ85 · 01/03/2021 11:54

Bold fail - so annoying!

ohpleaseyourself · 01/03/2021 12:02

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MyCatHatesEverybody · 01/03/2021 12:06

Why are some posters so reluctant to accept that some mothers simply aren't that fussed about spending time with their DC, when you only have to look at the Stately Homes, Step Parenting and numerous other threads to see plenty of examples of women behaving poorly in relation to their children (of course this applies to some fathers too but no one seems to have trouble accepting that).

My own mother was largely absent when I was a child. My DSC's mum spent every Thu-Sun away from her DC because she preferred to spend all her leisure time with the partner she left DH for. Why the mental gymnastics to paint the Ex in OP's situation as some kind of wronged party?

Spongebob you are so NBU, all those people banging on bout the ex's rights seem to have forgotten the purpose of contact, sod the fact the DSC themselves would rather stay in their mother's home if their dad's not at yours. It'd be like me sitting round my friend's house if she was out at work, it's not that my friend doesn't like me but what would be the bloody point?!

MessAllOver · 01/03/2021 12:12

I have a great personal relationship with my SCs but equally I wouldn't be happy regularly looking after them when my DP wasn't around. It's just not something I want to do and it's not my responsibility.

I understand this and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Certainly, it makes sense for younger children who can't stay home alone and need to be cared for, since it is definitely the dad and not the step-mum who should doing the childcare. But for older kids who don't need childcare, I think it does mean that they don't have a home as such with their dad. A home for a teenager at least is somewhere where you're always welcome and free to come and go. But probably by the time kids are teenagers, they've decided which house they treat as home anyway. In any case, they're probably better able to deal with the complexities of family relationships which you would normally try to shield younger children from. It just seems sad for these children that they're not wanted in either house.

TrustTheGeneGenie · 01/03/2021 12:16

@dontdisturbmenow

If a routine had been established for years and eveything was fine, why did it come about that he asked you to look after them.

The fact it was 3 months earlier than it would have been doesn't make much sense as a reason.

It sounds like he might have told her that you'd be happy to.look after them because it suited him to have them at his even if he was sleeping during that time.

I think.yiur OH is at fault. He should never have suggested it in the first place and really not should you have agreed. It sounds like you set a precedence and now are going back on an agreed change.

what a surprise that you're defending the ex wife!
SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 12:17

@ohpleaseyourself no not both of them, the youngest was primary school aged when we moved in. She’s now 12 (well will be in 2 weeks time). My kids are primary age and I didn’t have them here for our house move weekend either. We had 3 primary school aged children between us at the time.

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MyCatHatesEverybody · 01/03/2021 12:18

@MessAllOver did you miss the part were OP said the 16yo has a key? It's the DSC who don't want to come over, and why should they want to if there dad won't be there? Would you go round your parents' house just to hang around if they weren't going to be there? If so, why?

MessAllOver · 01/03/2021 12:21

Would you go round your parents' house just to hang around if they weren't going to be there? If so, why?

Same reason I hung around my parents' house when I was a teenager, I guess. It was my home too. I lived there.

SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 12:21

@MessAllOver who said they’re not wanted?
I’ve said eldest SC has a key and can come and go as she pleases. The 12 year old is too young to do that as she clearly needs some supervision, which I am not willing to do. If her dad is here then great, crack on! She’s welcome whenever she has a parent to supervise her.
Her mum clearly doesn’t think she’s old enough to be left completely unsupervised or you could argue she would be able to go out and do what she wants on those Fridays.

I don’t see how any of this is my responsibility.

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TrustTheGeneGenie · 01/03/2021 12:22

@MessAllOver

Would you go round your parents' house just to hang around if they weren't going to be there? If so, why?

Same reason I hung around my parents' house when I was a teenager, I guess. It was my home too. I lived there.

but if you go EOW, you don't live there do you?

I dont see why you would need to go to another house, when your parent was out, where none of your stuff is to what... watch tv?

I just dont get it and i say that as someone who's parents were not together for the majority of my childhood.

Snowymcsnowsony · 01/03/2021 12:27

Send her a list of your babysitting fees. She clearly sees you as staff...

MyCatHatesEverybody · 01/03/2021 12:30

@MessAllOver so you would have specifically journeyed over to House B from your own House A, when house B was going to be empty (or no one there you specifically wanted to see), just for the sake of swapping locations? Yeah course you would.

I've actually lived between two houses and never felt the need to travel between the two just because, why would I?

Radio4Rocks · 01/03/2021 12:33

Hilarious desperate barrel scraping from the anti Step Mum contingent. Unable to see how ridiculous they look.

MessAllOver · 01/03/2021 12:33

I don’t see how any of this is my responsibility.

I don't think it's your responsibility either. I don't think you're unreasonable not to want your SC sitting around your home when the person they've come to visit is not there. I just think it's a bit strange and sad. The mum is making the children feel unwelcome in the place that is their home.

Twisty333 · 01/03/2021 12:36

You sound SO jealous of his ex!! It's so embarrassing for you. Just do what works best for you & your husband and all of your children and stop worrying about his EX. Who cares if she has leisure time?? It has nothing to do with anything.