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DP’s Ex demanding I do childcare

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SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 11:15

DP and his ex have an EOW arrangement with SCs, and SCs come for dinner a couple of times a week too but don’t stay over.

DP’s job has always involved some night shift work and he has to do it generally in 3 month chunks twice a year, so he does nights for 6 months of the year. It has been like this for the last 20 years or so and far predates his prior relationship with his ex and obviously was the case before he met me.

When he does night shifts they are full nights from Monday - Friday, which means he sleeps until Saturday afternoon and his weekend is essentially Saturday afternoon until Monday afternoon.

DP did the first 3 month night shift stint from October and it was the first time he had worked nights since we had moved in together. I naively agreed to look after his kids on the Friday nights he was working when it was his contact weekend with SCs.

The reason being is he was told he was going on nights with very short notice and I said it wasn’t really fair to spring it on his ex when she might have made plans for those Fridays in the run up to Christmas and I know how annoying it is when my own ex chops and changes contact arrangements because of changing shift patterns.

So I covered every Friday - Saturday afternoon on our weekend with SCs to be helpful and make everyone’s lives easier... except of course my own.

DP is going back on nights in March and I’ve told him I’m not willing to do it this time. His ex is incredibly hostile towards me and the facts are that no one benefits from me babysitting the kids except her.

DP doesn’t benefit from it.
My SCs don’t benefit from it as their dad isn’t here
I don’t benefit from it and actually find it a bit much.
My kids don’t benefit from it.

The only person who benefits from it is his ex so I’m unwilling to give up my free time so she can have free time.

I work full time in a very pressured job and have been homeschooling 2 primary aged children through lockdown. DP’s ex doesn’t work and the kids are in secondary school so I definitely have it harder in that sense.

DP spoke to his ex and said about the nightshifts starting again and said he would be able to have SCs from when he wakes up on the Saturday, keep them the remainder of the weekend, take them to school on the Monday and also pick them up from school and have dinner with them before dropping them home on his way to work around 6pm on the Monday evening.
That way he still has them 2 nights, they’re spending time with their dad which is what the contact is actually for and I also get every Friday to spend alone with my own children and relax after a long working week.

Before we lived together this was the arrangement when he worked nights.

His ex has hit the roof saying “Why can’t spongebob have them like before?”. DP said because she’s working all week and I’m not here to spend time with them.

I’ve since had awful messages from her (she’s blocked now) calling me selfish, saying she needs a break etc. I responded only to say that I also need a break, I am not their parent and it’s up to DP and her to sort it out between themselves. I’m not a free on demand babysitter and I’m unwilling to do favours for someone who is rude, abuse and outwardly hostile towards me. She will literally ignore me if I say hello to her.

Well she’s like a dog with a bone. Now the kids are saying “mum says you’re being out of order. It’s not fair on her”.

Am I being unreasonable here? The suggested arrangement whilst DP works nights has stood in place for the last 10 years since they split apart from the most recent stint where I covered it.

The kids will be back at school when the nightshifts start which means ex will have a minimum of 30 hours a week of free time. I’ll be working full time, juggling childcare pick ups etc for my own 2 children.

I don’t think I’m being unreasonable to say I’m not giving up my free time to give her more free time.

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CallmeAngelina · 01/03/2021 12:36

I suspect some people are arguing just for the sake of it.
OP, you don't owe any of them any further explanation. As I said up-thread, you seem to have got this in the bag and are able to draw healthy boundaries.
I've read your other threads and it seems that you are also well-able to differentiate between not liking some of your younger dsd's behaviour (not surprisingly, as she's stepped out of line quite often, it seems) yet also seeing her good points and caring for her in an appropriate way.

DinoHat · 01/03/2021 12:36

OP some of the responses on this thread have really made me smile.

You are not their parents, you do not owe their Mother free childcare, it is not your responsibility even if she is falling apart at the seams to provide free childcare.

My own DSS’ Mum constantly says she needs a break - DH said look let’s have 50:50 and like your situation she was outraged (loss of maintenance).

I imagine she’s like Snow White and has the seven dwarfs helping her with housework and the birds all come in singing and pulling her curtains back on one of her absolutely essential, thrice weekly lies....

SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 12:37

We live quite close to SC’s mum’s house but too far for them to want to walk. Both SCs would have to be dropped off so it’s not really like they just pop by unless pre-arranged... except unless they’re visiting friends nearby, then they’ll often call in and use the loo / get a drink etc.
On the days they come for dinner after school they get off at an earlier stop which is close to our house.

What I’m trying to say is they wouldn’t really come here without a purpose just to hang out if their dad isn’t here because it wouldn’t be convenient for them iyswim.

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MuddleMoo · 01/03/2021 12:38

@Twisty333

You sound SO jealous of his ex!! It's so embarrassing for you. Just do what works best for you & your husband and all of your children and stop worrying about his EX. Who cares if she has leisure time?? It has nothing to do with anything.
Is this for real? OP really doesn't sound jealous at all, more bemused/frustrated by the ex's demands!
SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 12:39

@Twisty333 not at all! I feel sorry for her actually because she literally has nothing and she’ll have even less once her kids grow up and leave.
I was only pointing out that she has so much leisure time because people were saying she needs a break and implying I should help her.

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Youseethethingis · 01/03/2021 12:39

You sound SO jealous of his ex!!
Hahaha no, I think @SpongebobNoPants might actually be a bit embarrassed for the ex that she’s such a little flower that can’t possibly be expected to not work and look after her own two kids... on a Friday night instead of Sunday night...

TrustTheGeneGenie · 01/03/2021 12:39

@Twisty333

You sound SO jealous of his ex!! It's so embarrassing for you. Just do what works best for you & your husband and all of your children and stop worrying about his EX. Who cares if she has leisure time?? It has nothing to do with anything.
Omg jealous of what?

Not working and harassing her ex? yeah loads to be jealous of there.

They're already doing what is best for his children - the issue is that's not good enough for his ex - did you even read the thread?

DinoHat · 01/03/2021 12:40

You sound SO jealous of his ex!! It's so embarrassing for you. Just do what works best for you & your husband and all of your children and stop worrying about his EX. Who cares if she has leisure time?? It has nothing to do with anything.

She sounds like a mother with enough on her plate and not enough resources time/energy to pick up the slack for someone else without an extremely good reason. I’m sure if the Mother was unwell OP might step in, but she can’t justify using more of her limited resources for her leisure time.

Benelovencd · 01/03/2021 12:43

@Twisty333

You sound SO jealous of his ex!! It's so embarrassing for you. Just do what works best for you & your husband and all of your children and stop worrying about his EX. Who cares if she has leisure time?? It has nothing to do with anything.
Are we reading the same thread? Why is anything to do with these kids OP's responsibility? They have two active parents.
yearinyearout · 01/03/2021 12:48

Of course you're not being unreasonable! She's a massive CF.

LouJ85 · 01/03/2021 13:12

@Twisty333

You sound SO jealous of his ex!! It's so embarrassing for you. Just do what works best for you & your husband and all of your children and stop worrying about his EX. Who cares if she has leisure time?? It has nothing to do with anything.

😂 this is not what I am reading.

Alexandernevermind · 01/03/2021 13:21

Honestly @SpongebobNoPants keep out of it. They absolutely are not your responsibility.
Dad needs to step up - she isn't getting lots of leisure time if they are home schooling, however independently. EOW and a couple of teas in the week is a bit of a cop out, especially if they are at each others throats constantly.
How she spends her time - whether its watching paint dry, studying or working is irrelevant but something you seem to resent. Its no ones business but her's. You need to start taking a little time for yourself as you have enough on your plate without being stuck in the middle of a toxic relationship between your DP and his ex.
Its a shame for the kids, however old they are, as no one seems to want them around.

Youseethethingis · 01/03/2021 13:31

Dad needs to step up
Maybe if she got off her bum to support her DC financially she wouldn’t have reached badly when he suggested stepping down to be more physically available but it would mean less maintenance?
Or perhaps you could explain how having the kids on Sunday night when he’s home instead of Friday night when he isn’t home equates to less “me” time for her?
It why she has been perfectly happy for over a decade with arrangements but now she thinks her ex’s partner is just there to be taken advantage of?
He doesn’t need to a step any place. She’s the one with the big problem.

SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 13:32

@Alexandernevermind
Dad needs to step up
I’m confused as to how he isn’t stepping up? We have the youngest most weekends and both of them after school a few evenings a week . Without quitting his job, how could he possibly do more?

How she spends her time - whether its watching paint dry, studying or working is irrelevant but something you seem to resent
It is something I resent because she is saying I need to give up the very little bit of free time I have to allow her to have free time. Especially when she is insisting she needs time alone.
We have all been in the same lockdown, I’m referring to her attitude during normal school times also. It is my business when she’s demanding “free time” when she doesn’t work, the kids are at school for a considerable proportion of the time and then with us a lot of the weekends... and then she becomes abusive because I will not have them extra without their dad being there to enable her yet more downtime.

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Powwow401 · 01/03/2021 13:41

@Twisty333

You sound SO jealous of his ex!! It's so embarrassing for you. Just do what works best for you & your husband and all of your children and stop worrying about his EX. Who cares if she has leisure time?? It has nothing to do with anything.
I'm not sure I've read the same thread 🙄 at no point has OP sounded as if she is jealous! She is doing what's right for her and her family, by not having her SC another night when the father isn't there! And the ex wanting alone time is exactly the reason she wants OP to have the children! So..... it's kind of relevant! I don't see why a woman who works and has her children 100% of the time should pick up the slack to give the other woman some me time when she doesn't work and she will still have 2 nights by herself.
ohpleaseyourself · 01/03/2021 13:50

[quote SpongebobNoPants]@ohpleaseyourself no not both of them, the youngest was primary school aged when we moved in. She’s now 12 (well will be in 2 weeks time). My kids are primary age and I didn’t have them here for our house move weekend either. We had 3 primary school aged children between us at the time.[/quote]
That's absolutely not how you described it. You made no reference to the teenager, You led everyone to believe they were both primary school age. And you made other excuses not to have them, which don't tie with your other threads.

I'm in total agreement that you shouldn't have the kids when the dads not there and I was in agreement hat it was probably best not to have them on the day of the move,
but this ex is one whose versions of things I'd love to hear.

SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 13:55

@ohpleaseyourself I made no reference to the teenager because she wasn’t the concern. It was the younger one.
As you can see (seeing as you like going through old threads) all the ages are consistent on all of them, as are other details.
Sometimes I may change very minor things because I don’t want to be identifiable in real life and I don’t know who is on Mumsnet that I might know.
What other excuses have I made on that thread? I actually just went back and read through it too.

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LouJ85 · 01/03/2021 13:56

@SpongebobNoPants

I wouldn't bother justifying yourself, it's abundantly clear you're in the right here. People are just desperate for ways to now discredit you. Rise above them.

SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 13:59

It was also more polite when asked why the kids couldn’t help to say they were all young and would be more of a hindrance than a help (plus we had no beds) than say the older one would have refused to help and stropped about all day causing an already stressful day to be more stressful.
Moving house is not fun 😩

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SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 14:00

but this ex is one whose versions of things I'd love to hear
Oh I suspect you and her would get along very very well Grin

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ohpleaseyourself · 01/03/2021 14:04

That it was rental with a two day window for vacating, which you would have to clean. When actually you were living with your mum.

That your DP and his ex are flexible with contact, yet, here we are...

You made reference to four kids, letting everyone think think they were all primary age and would need constant supervision.

All so that you got the answers that suited you.

Don't be so disingenuous.

ohpleaseyourself · 01/03/2021 14:05

@SpongebobNoPants

but this ex is one whose versions of things I'd love to hear Oh I suspect you and her would get along very very well Grin
No, she doesn't sound great. But I can only go by what you say about her, and what I can read about you. I wouldn't get on with either of you.
ILoveYou3000 · 01/03/2021 14:06

this is not what I am reading.

It's not what anyone with basic comprehension skills is reading 🤣

SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 14:10

@ohpleaseyourself if you’d read my threads you would know the rental was DP’s, I lived with my mum and our current home is our first together.

That your DP and his ex are flexible with contact
They are, as long as it benefits his ex it seems! There have never been any issues really regarding contact until now. She is happy for us to have them whenever, if we book holidays etc she’s fine and vice versa.
This change (as I’ve stated on this thread several times) started when DP and I started living together because she now views me as a secondary source of childcare and money which she didn’t before.

Get a grip.

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ElijahsMoon · 01/03/2021 14:15

Tell DSC to fuck off and that youre not her mum and therefore why would you want to look after her. Their DM and themselves clearly show you no respect so why should you. I would actually ask it as a question to see their answer. Then tell ex to fuck off and mind her own kids or get her ex to. Not your circus.