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DSC going to Sunday School & thier mother objecting.

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Threelittlemonkeys · 31/08/2012 23:11

Hi all, pretty new here but it seems there are many veteran step mums here who have been through all what we are going through before, so hopefully someone will know the answer to my question.

DSC live with us and DP half the time. I take my DD to Sunday school and she loves it, although I am not religious myself. DSC would like to go, they can have a good time alongside their step sibling, make new friends and join in lots of other activities run by the church too such as half term fun days.

Their mother has said she doesn't consent. Well she said much more than that but it all amounted to her saying no way. DP wants them to go. She says he can't make decisions regarding religion without her. He is not deciding their religion (he is also non religious) and is not having them baptised or anything. It's just a Sunday school. Daft thing is that one DSC already goes to a church Pre school but she obviously isn't bothered by that or hasn't realised. However she has moaned at DSC for saying a cute little "grace" and dinner time that DSC learnt there.

Anyway. What do you think? DP never tries to interfer in what she does with DSC time with her and feels she is being way over the top about this. However, he doesn't want to do something a court will see as wrong. Things are currently very difficult and have been for some time, he is very aware that their agreement (which was made out of court) may be taken to court in a full blown residency battle at any time and he doesn't want to give er anything she can use to "score points" against him. That's sounds childish but hopefully you get my point.

Opinions/advice welcome.

OP posts:
Threelittlemonkeys · 01/09/2012 01:56

Amber I do NOT take them, I take my own DD and DSC have asked to come along. I am not "pushing" it, just diacssing it here on MN. I agree it's not my "call", I have no intention of making it or trying to make it my call either.

Nelly I understand your kid's dad isn't great, and it appears their SM is horrible, doesn't mean all dads are shit and all step mothers are evil! Anyway...

Cowthy Yep, I guess I was thinking Satanism or something similar.

The only reason I made a point about "grace" was their mother chose that Pre school for youngest DSC, is a Chichester Pre school. There were lots of others to chose from. DP said they'd never discussed anything to do with religion.

It's really not a big deal. We aren't all that bothered if they don't go, just raised a few questions and I thought it would be good to discuss here and get some opinions.

OP posts:
Threelittlemonkeys · 01/09/2012 01:57

That's should read "church" not "Chichester"

OP posts:
NellyJob · 01/09/2012 02:04

Christ does anyone else want to put words into my mouth or make wild assumptions about me tonight?
I'm off.....nite all
xx

solidgoldbrass · 01/09/2012 02:10

I think the thing is, in the UK, how you percieve Christianity is a privilege thing. People who are white, straight, middle class or thereabouts consider their own vague acceptance of and mild fondness for Christianity just another sort of characteristic of being a white, straight, middle class sort of person. Bit like reading and believing the Daily Mail.

So, firstly, they are able to ignore the more toxic elements and subdivisions of Christianity - being a Christian might mean being a fair, decent, kind person who happens to believe in the Christian deities/teachings/traditions, or it could mean being a raging homophobic sexist, racist arsehole clutching at Christianity as a defence against all those funny foreigners...

Secondly, it doesn't occur to them that other people have a different worldview, unless those people look different eg have darker skins or wear funny things on their heads and are really Not Like Us. So they tend to get a bit fuckwitted when people who are not obviously foreign/wierd object to a bit of Christianity for good and valid reasons, and treat it as though these people who look just like US are making a silly fuss about nothing or being illmannered to object to the peddling of an irrational superstition to their DC.

theredhen · 01/09/2012 06:46

Personally as a mother, I wouldn't object to this but I was brought up as a Christian but would say I'm non religious now. I went to a church school, actively avoided one for ds but he has been to beavers etc. and I've been fine with the religious content.

I think religion can be a very emotive subject for some however, and I'm not sure how the courts would see it.

akaemmafrost · 01/09/2012 06:56

"cute little grace".

Not to me it wouldn't be. I am non religious and so is ex. I'd feel pretty invaded and pissed off that someone I do not know was having enough influence on MY child that she was bringing "cute little graces" into my home.

Smurfy1 · 01/09/2012 07:11

Well I have just read this and TBH you are very brave asking on here, you haven't done anything yet but ask for advice so here's my view as a stepmum

You do something nice with your DD and and THE DSC has asked to come along, YOU know that the BM will object but have got YOUR OH the DAD to ask her anyway as you admit the DSC decisions are nothing to do with you the "cute little grace" was learnt AT the CHURCH the BM takes them too NOT YOU yet YOU have gotten the blame

right hopefully I have read your posts and have got it right above

You will never win with the BM as she will twist, turn and do everything to make her the better parent and you to be some woman trying to take her place School, Religion etc IF your OH has PR isn't just down to her especially as your have 50/50 access AND she CANNOT tell you what to do when DSC are at your house the same as your OH CANNOT tell her what to do when she has custody BUT many many BM's think they have cart blanche and can dictate whenever with the threat of stopping the access

I'm lucky as DSD lives with us full time now and I have PR & full custody so don't have to put up with that crap now

Ilovedaintynuts · 01/09/2012 07:14

I would be extremely annoyed if my exH started taking my kids to the same Sunday School as his new partners child.

I am passionately against organised religion and also against hypocrisy. So for me taking a child to Sunday School if your not even religious would make me angry on a number of levels.

Why fight this issue? You're not even a Christian. Let the children's parents decide amongst themselves. Pick your battles.

akaemmafrost · 01/09/2012 07:21

You sound fucking awful smurfy.

Smurfy1 · 01/09/2012 07:31

Really every person non here has their view and it is tainted by their experiences, mine is thast for 6 yrs we fought to get a child away from an abusive parent and had to watch that child be shared to go home, self harm, and SS did NOTHING

So judge away she only asked for advbice she hasnt done anything yet which keeps getting missed

Smurfy1 · 01/09/2012 07:32

sorry scared not shared, and we got threatened with access being stopped

akaemmafrost · 01/09/2012 07:34

Yes I know your back story.

You are projecting YOUR experiences into this situation and seemingly ALL birth mothers?

And I think it is awful to describe yourself as "lucky" is your situation. Considering what you say the children involved have been through.

akaemmafrost · 01/09/2012 07:35

In not is

Smurfy1 · 01/09/2012 07:40

If you know my back story you know I have 1 DSD not children and yes bloody lucky that she is now loved, safe and emotionally getting there and the night terrors have stopped CAHMS is happy with her progress and she has now had her baby jags at 11

So how is THAT "fucking awful"

akaemmafrost · 01/09/2012 07:44

Your DSD has younger siblings though doesn't she? All affected by this I would imagine.

I already said what i thought in my last post.

AThingInYourLife · 01/09/2012 07:46

So your DP is happy for you to take his children out of the house every Sunday morning and doesn't much care what you do with them? :o Hmm

I can quite see why their mother is unhappy to have her children receiving religious instruction once a week so their non-religious father can have a lie in.

akaemmafrost · 01/09/2012 07:49

Grin yes I think you summed it up perfectly there athinginyourlife.

Smurfy1 · 01/09/2012 07:50

No not really as when the father left her he had full custody of the boys at ages 1 & 2.5yrs she only had wkend access to them so no the ONLY child actually affected as we had most wkends and the dad knew what was happening to DSD but didnt have contact details for us

akaemmafrost · 01/09/2012 07:53

Those details are irrelevant to why I described you as awful. But certainly you indicated on another thread that all of these children were greatly affected by the BM actions.

Just to clarify. Your attitude towards birth mothers as a whole based on your own experiences and describing yourself as "lucky" in this horrible and painful situation is what is awful.

Judd · 01/09/2012 07:56

What do you do,OP, during the Sunday School hour? Do you go into church, or is it a child free hour? We have children in our Sunday School, the parents spend a lovely hour in Costa!

olibeansmummy · 01/09/2012 07:58

You don't sound " fucking awful" you sound well balanced and the only one that has actually READ THE OP

Ilovedaintynuts · 01/09/2012 07:59

Well said akaemmafrost disgusting attitude to birth mothers.

Smurfy1 · 01/09/2012 07:59

Yes in the context of my reply I am lucky as I do not have to deal with BM and can treat DSD as I would my own without the worry most have over the what if BM kicks off etc

Most of this womans replies have misseed the fact she hasnt done anything yet and has only asked for advice over something the stepchild has asked for

I'm stopping now but have reported you

Ilovedaintynuts · 01/09/2012 08:00

I read it. I even understood it.

akaemmafrost · 01/09/2012 08:00

Smile fine. I stand by it though.

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