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should a stepmum attend school events?

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dirtyprojectors · 12/07/2012 20:10

DSD starts school next term. Her mum hates me . DP avoids his ex as much as he possibly can as their relationship is still dreadful and i can't see it ever improving. Contact had to be got through a court order. I've been with DP for almost 2 years, slowly got to know DSD over past 18 months and she now stays weekends so knows me well. I'm very restrained, haven't even done the mummy stuff like baking together yet as i'm so worried about her Mum kicking off and making DSD feel bad.
Should i ever go to any school events? My thought was some events like whole school plays might be ok as there will be so many people around but anything smaller is asking for trouble- at least at this early stage.

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Bonsoir · 16/07/2012 17:42

I am not wildly in favour of what a lot of professional shrink-types say about family dynamics either. Ultimately parents need to do what they believe is right for their DC, whatever shrinks or stepmothers or anyone else thinks, because parents are responsible for the outcome. And if that includes fighting one's corner with one's DCs' other parent, so be it.

exoticfruits · 16/07/2012 19:08

Exotic, even if we agree to disagree on the age at which children can make these calls - jabberjay's DSS is 4. And there is backstory. Plenty of backstory, I have a feeling...

At 4 years I think you have to make sure that they, and everyone else, knows the situation. By 5 years you can just leave it to them. People don't generally have a need to make assumptions, but you have to realise that if people see a child out, with parents, they assume they are the birth parents-however they really have no interest and so there is no need to go into family circumstances for complete strangers.

allnewtaketwo · 16/07/2012 19:15

Jabber if you really think that a 4 year old can make a well thought through choice, in his own best interests, over who he wants to be there at such an important occasion as his first day at school, you are either deluded or you know nothing about young children. I'm not sure which.

My 4 year old son would choose to live off chocolate and never go bed if I let him. However as an adult I put his best interests first and know better.

pinguthepenguin · 17/07/2012 10:25

Have read this thread with interest. The issue of when to object to something and when to step back for the sake of the child is a very difficult one indeed.

My dd has a sm and i have to be honest, I learned a lot from this board on how to distance myself from what felt to me like a major intrusion on my role as a parent. I have had to face some very difficult situations regarding my dd and her sm and I've made some mistakes along the way by reacting to things I should have let go. Similarly, I've let things go that I should have defended.

I'm grateful to this board for giving me some perspective on what is probably the most difficult thing I've ever been through.
Like a previous poster, I've come up against all manner of protests from friends and family who feel I've been 'walked on' by sm and exp, and who feel would like to have me washed out of the picture completely. I (mostly) saw it differently, ie, that i was putting my dd first etc etc. The truth be told though, ( and it took me a long time to admit this to myself) i was mostly always responding from a position of fear, rather than a total desire to put my dd first. What I mean is that my instincts told me that to protect dd I should fight my corner, but I was always so damn afraid of confrontation with exp and sm that i have let things go that I absolutely believe were not in my child's interest. I still struggle with that- the balance between defending my right to parent my child without interference against my child's right to a happy life with both parents.

The fear is not completely gone. I can't explain the fear very well, although if i had to put it in a nutshell, it stems from the realisation that if I ever object to exps demands, I receive texts and emails ( written by sm) that succinctly and articulately tear my parenting to shreds and could be written for a judge, loaded with references of their 'concern' for dd's well-being and how they are devastated that I cannot 'put her first.
These emails and texts I should add are usually over the most trivial of issues, like an ill-fitting pair of shoes, or me asking exp to drop dd off at a restaurant where we were having dinner on a sunday evening. The issue I have, is that sm is very very intelligent ( exp is unfortunately not) and the emails are worded in such a way that you would be convinced of abuse on my part if you read them. They crush me completely and I cannot - 5 years later explain why I can't let it wash over me. I just can't. And so, I usually give them what they want in order to avoid the very predictable assassination of my parenting that will follow.

I wish I had more belly, honestly. I wish that I could find my voice to say that I am not ok with some things. I havent always agreed with every poster on this topic. I recall one recently where the poster fundamentally believed it was in her child's interests to keep silent about her child being treated differently by his step-parent. She felt that a confrontation would not help the child, and yet I wondered how not defending him would help either? I also realised that I was very similar to that poster.

We can all shout about the interests of the child until we are blue in the face, but I worry so much that I have not stood up for myself and my dd enough that she will resent me when she is older. I genuinely can't see how a a child will thank you for keeping quiet about behaviour that you know to be wrong.

I realise that my point here isn't specifically linked to the op, but rather how the thread unfolded to discuss relationships between the parents and speaking up when you don't agree with something. However, the op's approach does somewhat remind me of my dd's sm, in that she also feels that she has no obligation to consider my feelings on any issue. I've posted here about the many school events that she attends ( completely on her own, not with exp) and how much I hate it. Every time I go to the school, my heart is thumping with anxiety that she will show up, clapping and waving to dd.

Am I wrong to be upset at her presence? I don't know. I feel embarrassed and threatened by it. It isn't something I would ever do- and I am not convinced that she is acting in the best interests of my child. Similarly OP, and I'm sorry if you disagree, I feel that being present at your step-child's first day is not in the child's interest either, but in your own.

dirtyprojectors · 17/07/2012 10:36

pinguthepenguin and anyone else who has made the same mistake. I am the OP and i did not ever say i wanted to be there on DSDs first day at school. You have confused me with another poster. Please be more careful with what you write and take a little more care when reading these threads.

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pinguthepenguin · 17/07/2012 10:44

Dirty- apologies, the point about the first day at school was for jabba

Everything else i said was for you. you asked for opinions on whether you should be at school events. I gave it.

MissAnnersley · 17/07/2012 10:46

pingu - I think, given what you have described, then absolutely you are not wrong to feel upset by her presence. It sounds like an awful situation to be in.

One of the reasons I disengaged completely was my realisation that there was nothing I personally could do or say to influence my ex's opinion about my parenting. I won't go into the grisly details of our split but until very recently there was a genuine belief on his part that my parenting was inadequate.

To me, responding to this was futile, and only fed into my own anxieties. We now have an uneasy peace but it is peace. DS is happier. He knows that, in his words, we 'get on well now'.

NotaDisneyMum · 17/07/2012 11:55

pingu thank you so much for continuing to share your experiences; painful though they obviously are. You have responded to other posts of mine (under a different name) and it has been so helpful.
The similarities between our situations is both reassuring and horrendous in equal measure - it helps greatly to know that I am "not alone" but the thought that there are other men out there like my ex is not a pleasant one Sad

I remember soon after joining MN, I was advised as a SM to disregard the opinion of my DP and refuse to support him if that led to me overstepping as a SM. At the time, that was a hard message to hear - but over time, I have come to understand it.
I do not agree with all my DPs decisions as a parent - I am not an extension of him, and do not follow blindly his course of action. I now know the DCs much better, i have an independent relationship with them and opinion of them - so can draw my own conclusions as to what I think is right in a given situation.
My DP and I have a strong enough relationship for me to openly disagree with his decisions regarding his own DCs.

I wonder if insecurity is a motivation behind the unwavering agreement that some SM give their DPs, despite the clear evidence that that DCs are being hurt ? Sad

NotaDisneyMum · 17/07/2012 12:57

OP - I appreciate this thread has probably evolved in a way you didn't expect - but hopefully it's useful.

I'm sitting here with a sick feeling in my stomach. My DDs leavers assembly is today.

Not only do I have to deal with the emotion of my DD leaving school, and the knowledge that my ex will be there and will be unable to respect my space; he will seek to interact with me - but I don't know if DDs SM will be there as well. She might be; ex has made it clear he considers it his right to invite his DW to these sort of events.

Maybe she has as much right to be there as I do - I'm not sure anymore, but I know that I would never choose to put my DSC's mum through the additional stress that I am feeling right now Sad

pinguthepenguin · 17/07/2012 13:14

NADM. I feel for you. I get that sick anxious feeling every time my dd has a school event because invariably sm will be there, and she isn't in the slightest bit shy to be there without exp.

To answer your question if your dd's sm has as much right to be there as you- no. She doesn't. You can easily get sucked into that notion and it's always nicely wrapped up in 'dd's bests interests. Me personally though, I'm kinda done having everything whitewashed as in the 'child's best interests' when, actually- if you pull back the layers, it's often a transparent act of selfishness on behalf of one parent trying to shoe-horn step parents into situations they don't need to be in.

Berris · 17/07/2012 13:30

I've read through all of this thread, with interest. I'm not a SM, but I am mum who is feeling pushed out all the time by both my ex-H, but also (very much so) by my DD's SM. I have posted on a thread in Lone Parents, so a couple of people on this thread my recognise me.

My DD1's leavers service is tomorrow. I didn't get given information, it was only mentioned on Saturday. But ex-H and SM have known about it for ages and have sorted babysitters for their DDs so they can both attend. I do not have the best relationship with them, mainly because I have spent the last 6.5-7 years being criticised and undermined by the pair of them. SM has attended a number of school events over the years, and I don't really begrudge it. I feel uncomfortable - and the leavers service even more so, probably because there was an attempt to exclude me.

SM attended DD1's open evening at her new school with her. It was on one of the ex's days, but ex didn't even go with her, SM did. That is overstepping, imo. And it really hurt when I saw them on their way back, because DD1 told me that her DF or SM would go with her - 'her school, her choice'.

There was an attempt to have SM pick up the DDs on their last day of school on Thursday - one of my days - but I've said no. DD1s last day at junior school, I should be the one picking her up.

I think it is incredbily tough, but as a mum, I don't make unreasonable requests, I don't behave in an unreasonable fashion, ever. But my ex and his DW do like to make out that I do. Its very unfair, it alienates my DDs from me (particularly DD1), and they should be more mindful and take MY position into account - but they never do.

dirtyprojectors · 17/07/2012 19:22

No pingu you also said "However, the op's approach does somewhat remind me of my dd's sm, in that she also feels that she has no obligation to consider my feelings on any issue."

in fact if you read what i actually said I stated that i do not do mummy things like baking in order not to rock the rock with DSDs mother. I also happily took on board the suggestion not to go to an event but do something else to show my support: "If the nativity seems too much this year (or next) i'll take up the good suggestion to get DSD to act her part at home with me and her dad, seems a good compromise for now." In what way am i not taking into account her mother's feelings ?

i came on here with good intentions so that I could get a wider perspective from just my own and that of DP and am slightly fed up at being misread and mixed up with other posters.

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NotaDisneyMum · 17/07/2012 21:04

dirty you could choose to just ignore those who have inadvertently mixed you up with someone else and instead focus on those comments that have been appropriately addressed to you - or are you ignoring those? Confused

dirtyprojectors · 17/07/2012 21:17

NADM hardly when you can clearly see in my last post that i said i'd take on board the suggestion to get "DSD to act her part at home with me and her dad, seems a good compromise for now"- (a suggestion from another poster).

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ladydeedy · 17/07/2012 21:36

Jabberjay, thanks yes rather difficult. So we spoke to the school and they were fine about there being an additional person. The hilarious thing was that she turned up late and there was literally only one spare seat left and yes, you've guessed it, it was right next to me. One of the staff escorted her over and pointed at the seat, but DH's ex would not sit down and spent the next 2.5 hours standing awkwardly at the back. So ridiculous. We had a good evening though!!

pinguthepenguin · 17/07/2012 22:38

Dirty- I did actually say that i was sorry for mixing you and jabba up. I see that you weren't suggesting showing up on your dsc's first day and that it was actually jabba who said that. I also said that my post wasn't directly relating to your initial op as it went in a different direction. I apologise again for mixing you up with another contributor to this thread.

Might I suggest though that you calm down a bit? Jeeeeeeeezz

dirtyprojectors · 18/07/2012 09:50

pingu no , you actually said in your initial apology " Dirty- apologies, the point about the first day at school was for jabba

Everything else i said was for you"

Your apology was meaningless to me as you made two completely separate comments in different paragraphs , one you apologised for (your very last sentence about school) , this one you didn't :

"However, the op's approach does somewhat remind me of my dd's sm, in that she also feels that she has no obligation to consider my feelings on any issue."

If you had just said straight out like an earlier poster did "oops sorry" i'd have been quite happy, mistakes happen. Telling me to calm down is unnecessary but if you want to go down that route then feel free. I will correct a poster and alert other people if someone has attributed incorrect statements to me or has mixed me up with another poster. Many people just skim these threads so they may not actually see what I really wrote and believe it to be true.

I have nothing more to say on this matter.

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NotaDisneyMum · 18/07/2012 10:02
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MsIngaFewmarbles · 18/07/2012 10:15

I am a mum and SM, my DD2 and DSD are in the same year in the same school so it is inevitable that I will attend many of DSDs school events as DD2 will be involved. If this wasn't the case, I would go by what DSD wants, sorry but sod what her Mum wants, she is an adult and needs to put her DC feelings before her own.

There have been many occasions where DSDs Mum and I have both been at an event (and we don't get on) but thankfully we are both adult enough to plaster on big smiles for DSD as the events are hers, not ours. DSD shouldn't have to worry about split loyalties when she is being a shepherd/running in the egg and spoon race/performing a dance on stage.

MsIngaFewmarbles · 18/07/2012 10:18

In our case there is equal/joint residency if that makes any difference.

taxiforme · 18/07/2012 11:42

Hi

From the start my DSC (now 16 14 and 12) have made it clear that they want me as their SM to be at an event (usually one that includes them showing off in some way). I think this might be as I am enthusiastic, theatrical and sporty. Also my DH works silly hours and he really wants his kids to see that if he cant be there, I can. I was a litle uncomfortable at first (esp when on my own as I have no kids) but his exW came up to me and thanked me for coming to a school assembly where his sp needs DSS got an award.

However, although I am happy to do whooping and clapping and singing of little donkey, there is an absolute line to be drawn. I do not attend parents' evenings or doctors appointments and such like with the kids. That is the preserve of their parents. Although like others, I feel that it is important to know important things about the kids in my care (all be it as a SM).

Dirty. I think, if your DP/DH and your DSD wants you there and you want to, you should go to things like "events" (unless you are depriving someone like granny of a ticket). If you are made to feel uncomfortable or it feels wrong, don't put yourself through it.

pinguthepenguin · 18/07/2012 11:50

Dirty.

I'm absolutely delighted that you've nothing else to say on the matter. Truly.

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