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The Rolling Football Thread: Season 2025/26

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DuncinToffee · 01/08/2025 10:48

"Football is a game of mistakes. Whoever makes the fewest mistakes wins."

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Brefugee · 13/08/2025 09:45

i wonder if they've done a Championship version? Wednesday fans would be an interesting poll...

JasonTindallsTan · 13/08/2025 18:41

I can understand it from a Newcastle pov although I think the Thiaw signing as well as the possible Ramsay one is helping boost optimism somewhat.

re Isak. Sigh. What the actual fuck is his problem? The disrespect is off the scale. He is not contracted to Gaza FC, he does not need to to hand force a move for the safety of his own life, which in my view could be the only possible legitimate reason for going full scorched earth in the way it appears he has done. Nor is he contracted to Blyth Spartans on a fiver a week after a premier league club has made a move for him in which case I could understand the insanely strong desire to leave and play for the new club.

He's getting paid 6 million pounds per year to play football for a premier league, cup winning (against the club you want to move to…), champions league club. Whilst I accept that Liverpool may be a ‘step up’, in reality, the gap isn’t that huge, it wouldn’t have been utterly crazy to suggest that after what we achieved last season with no first team signings for three windows, with some good signings this window to add to squad depth, we could have mounted a decent title challenge (or certainly been right at the top end of the table).

That’s what I can’t understand, why destroy your legacy and your reputation for the footie equivalent of moving from Whitley bay to Tynemouth (bit of a local one but iykyk, similar coastal areas however Tynemouth has a bit more cache and is more expensive and boujee but in reality doesn’t offer that much in comparison to Whitley Bay). Particularly when it was pretty much universally accepted he’d be off next year if we weren’t competitive this season.

utterly baffling and mercenary as he clearly doesn’t want to force a move enough to put in a transfer request and forfeit his ‘loyalty’ (HA) bonus which is rumoured to be in the region of 15 million. No he’s happy to destroy everything, engage social media and try to get Newcastle to accept a low ball offer just so he can get his move.

I just can’t get my head round it.

LlynTegid · 13/08/2025 18:43

Hellohah · 13/08/2025 09:39

@DuncinToffee I am very surprised that 86% of United fans are feeling optimistic 😂

Well if the Premier League are morally bankrupt enough to allow league games abroad, it will reduce their travelling.

Tiswa · 13/08/2025 21:15

who would have seen the Super Cup so far!

players throwing tantrums seems more and more common Wissa is as well!

JasonTindallsTan · 13/08/2025 21:19

Yep and I don’t agree with that either, although he is now back at training (albeit on his own at the club direction). But Isak’s tactics seem to be next level.

Tiswa · 13/08/2025 21:46

Agree which must be either something has broken down with Newcastle or his agent as if Liverpool had done something other than what normally seems to happen it would have come out

he doesn’t seem the type though either so it is all very strange - and I can’t see him intergrating back now

which is why I don’t see why the official Newcastle line is if we get Wissa (which depends on other transfers) we will sell him as his worth is depreciating the longer this goes on

i cant remember anything quite like this. The move usually had gone through by now or like Gibbs White integrated back

Eddie Howe seems now to be on board with the idea of selling him

my theory is a partly that being owned by in effect Saudi Arabia means they aren’t used to any pushback in business negotiations so can’t handle it - they aren’t used to being told No

TheNewGaard · 13/08/2025 21:53

And of course, if he goes to Liverpool, how tf is Ekitike going to feel?

Oblomov25 · 13/08/2025 21:58

Good grief how Spursy!
2-2 v PSG 🙄

JasonTindallsTan · 13/08/2025 21:58

Wissa is not an Isak replacement, buying him will not unlock the sale to Liverpool. Callum Wilson left the club a free agent so even with Isak we only have him and Osula who I don’t think started any prem games last season and scored 2 goals. Wissa at 28 is the Wilson replacement.

I don’t think any club can allow themselves be dictated to to this extent by a player. Isak signed a contract for 6 years. He is bound by that contract and if and only if the club decides can that contract be broken and he can move to another club. I as a fan, and I suspect the club also, would rather he stayed a Newcastle player after this window and if he chooses to play silly buggers then it’s his career he is wasting, the club can’t back down on this one or the floodgates will open. They’ve stated their terms, two things must happen for a sale to be a possibility, a suitable replacement must be signed (not Wissa) and a suitable bid of circa 150 million must be received. If one or both of those things do not align then he will remain a Newcastle player and it’s up to him if he wants to tank his career in a World Cup season. I’d happily teach him a lesson this summer and let him go next summer (abroad) for a lower fee.

We will not weaken our situation in order to strengthen a direct competitor, to do so would be a madness and suggest a weakness that we will not want to show.

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 13/08/2025 22:03

DuncinToffee · 13/08/2025 09:41

You got to love the optimism of the Sundeland fans, good on them.

Well, they have signed Xhaka so I can understand why!

TheNewGaard · 13/08/2025 22:10

#Spursy

outofdate · 13/08/2025 22:12

Another useless set of penalties this time by Spurs.
After such a good performance against PSG.

Fandango52 · 13/08/2025 22:15

Oblomov25 · 13/08/2025 21:58

Good grief how Spursy!
2-2 v PSG 🙄

I hate myself for saying this, but I thought that too! And Spursy on the penalties too 😬 I’m delighted they went toe-to-toe with PSG and didn’t humiliate themselves, but I’m gutted for them that they couldn’t quite make it happen.

Tiswa · 13/08/2025 22:19

It will be interesting to see the ramifications - current case law has only given more rights to players and if he does have any legal rights at all (If a fair agreed fee was met)

as it is I think both player and club are in danger of tanking out and letting this go on isn’t helping anyone

as I said have never quite seen anything like it

the super cup on the other hand. I have - I still remember the optimism of being 3 nil up against Manchester United at half time! And to go ahead in the penalties as well.
that said so many positives from that

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 13/08/2025 22:21

@JasonTindallsTan

But a 6 year contract means nothing if you are talking about football because if the player doesn't want to play then they won't bother.

Isak doesn't care about Newcastle at all just like Van Persie, Fabregas and Sahchez etc didn't care about Arsenal and I don't know why the NC fans think that he should. It is just a job for him. That is the risk you take with players who haven't grown up supporting the club they are playing for.

Also, how many Newcastle (or Arsenal) supporters would leave their current employer if they were offered a large pay rise.

I just think that Newcastle have handled it badly. If a player wants to leave or just explore his options, then let them. There is no point trying to keep them and they might even stay.

TheNewGaard · 13/08/2025 22:38

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TheSleepingGiant · 13/08/2025 22:52

Spurs did everything right until those last 10-15 minutes, you cannot park 11 men behind the ball against a team of PSG's level. However, some decent individual performances and still time to bring in players so can feel optimistic about this coming season.

Gillingham exited the EFL Cup last night, also by missing 2 pens Sad

JasonTindallsTan · 13/08/2025 22:54

@MustTryHarderAndHarder so if contracts aren’t worth the paper they’re written on then why bother having them? Players should just be free to move between clubs to whoever offers them the most cash irrespective of who currently pays their wages is that right? And if a player wants to move and leave you with no other options in that position the club are just supposed to say ‘aye no bother, on you go, here’s a whopping big ‘loyalty bonus’ for your troubles’.

Newcastle have said that they don’t want to sell him but they would do so if 2 conditions were met. They had a replacement and they got paid the money they valued him at. He didn’t bother acting out until Liverpool had signed the biggest real target we had for a replacement. We then missed out on Sesko. Liverpool then lowballed us with a 110 million offer after being told firmly we valued him at 150 million. They haven’t bid again. Are you seriously suggesting Newcastle should just shrug and wave him off leaving us with no recognised striker and only getting 65% of the fee we value him at? Despite the fact he signed himself up to us for 6 years and still had 3 years left to run? Just because he wants us to? Really?

And I don’t think he should ‘care’ about Newcastle. I just thought he had a Bit more integrity than to go about this the way he has done. And if Saka was pulling this on Arsenal there’d be riots around the emirates. Liverpool were burning Trent’s shirt in the street because he saw out his contract!

JasonTindallsTan · 13/08/2025 22:57

And if he remains a Newcastle player after the window closes and he refuses to play then it’s his career he is torching. He is contracted to us until he is almost 29. That’s the best years of his career. We don’t ‘need’ to sell. We should only do so when it is right for the club. If that works for the player as well then great. But if not, they’ve made a commitment and there are legal ramifications for not sticking to that commitment. No matter how many toys you throw out of your pram.

TheNewGaard · 13/08/2025 23:45

That's why I think there's something else going on behind the scenes here. It's not normal.

TheNewGaard · 13/08/2025 23:47

TheSleepingGiant · 13/08/2025 22:52

Spurs did everything right until those last 10-15 minutes, you cannot park 11 men behind the ball against a team of PSG's level. However, some decent individual performances and still time to bring in players so can feel optimistic about this coming season.

Gillingham exited the EFL Cup last night, also by missing 2 pens Sad

I'm not sure 25% possession and less than 70% pass accuracy is really domination. PSG were patently far below their level.

burblish · 13/08/2025 23:49

@JasonTindallsTan Genuinely not saying this as a Liverpool fan (I think our priority should be shoring up our central defensive options, not Isak) and I don't think Isak's reported behaviour reflects well on him. I'm just interested in your view on one thing and would disagree with you on one of your observations (again, to be clear, this is genuine and not meant to be snarky or goady in the slightest - no fan wants to see this kind of situation with one of their players).

You say Isak didn't act up until after Liverpool bought Ekitike (who Newcastle might otherwise have considered as a replacement). Does that factor make Isak's conduct worse in your eyes than, e.g., Anthony Gordon refusing to train at Everton to force through his move to Newcastle?

You also mentioned Liverpool fans' fury at Trent even though/because he saw out his contract. I don't think you can fairly compare that with the Isak situation, as one of the key reasons Liverpool fans were angry with Trent was that he deliberately ran down his contract so they he could go for a free - he knew Madrid wouldn't shell out big bucks for him and it meant Liverpool stood to lose a prized player for zero compensation (i.e. transfer fee). Obviously many labelled him disloyal for wanting to leave at all (which I think is unfair) but the lack of a transfer fee was the real salt in the wound (while Trent's actual market value is nowhere near Isak's, he is still worth a pretty penny. Same thing happened with Steve McManaman way back in the day.). It is absolutely Newcastle's prerogative to not sell any player for less than they think he is worth, but Trent's situation is not an apt comparison.

The one thing that both Trent and Isak seem to have in common are unscrupulous, greedy-arse agents! How much do you think Isak's agent is fuelling all this? Surely any leaks or suggestions as to the stance Isak is taking must come from Isak's own camp?

(Sorry, this is a very long post even by my windbag standards!)

JasonTindallsTan · 14/08/2025 08:26

All fair questions @burblish

Re Gordon. I don’t agree with any player ‘going on strike’ to get a move. I can see how Gordon’s position had become untenable and why he was so keen for the move but at the end of the day, your contract is such that you have agreed to play for a club until such a time that they decide they want to sell you or the contract ends.

Isak waiting until Ekitike had been sold to Liverpool doesn’t necessarily make it worse it just makes it even more unfathomable. Why?! Surely he knew that the club wouldn’t just let him walk with 3 years on his contract with no replacement?! I do believe that if we had bought Ekitike it would have unlocked the move for Isak if that’s what he wanted but to come out and say it’s what he was after after the sale had gone through makes even less sense. You don’t wait until the club you want to go to have dropped 80 million on someone in your position then demand that you’re allowed to go too.

The bit of me that is a conspiracy theorist or who is willing to think the worst of Isak thinks perhaps Liverpool had told him, look we want you, but we need another top quality striker as well so we’re going to get this guy, if you say you want to come to us first the likihood is Newcastle will outbid us and we’ll not get him so keep schtum, let us wrap that up then we'll come and get you. Which is so unthinkably shit in many ways but does explain his timing somewhat.

And I know loads will say ‘but he told Eddie this was his last season and he reminded him again at the end’. Two things. The club denies this. The likes of Ornstein etc were reporting at the end of the season that Isak was staying after we got champions league. All these reporters saying they knew Isak was done before this summer, I don’t believe for one minute they wouldn’t have reported it given how sensational that news would have been. It’s part of a narrative now to make it look like Alexander Isak is hard done to.

With regards to Trent not being a like for like situation, I agree, they aren’t exactly the same but there are similarities because as you say, there were some who were fuming he was leaving the club at all never mind it being for Real Madrid. However I would say that there is a lot of evidence that the media etc is being used as a tool to unsettle Isak further and to attempt to force Newcastle into a position where they want rid of him so much they will accept a lower offer than what they value him at. The 110 million offer was so far off what they have been very clear they value him at as to be bizarre. And I think Isak’s agent (read up on him/his group, v unsavoury characters) is absolutely one of the leaders in regards to this.

So in some respects, Trent leaving on a free so Liverpool get nothing and Isak and his agent along with Liverpool, playing silly cunts in the public arena in a bid to reduce the price the club gets for him purely so he gets what he wants, also feels like a similar kick in the teeth.

I’m just drained with it all, it’s spoilt our window, will absolutely have a knock on effect throughout the season and most of all I’m just disappointed because this is not the type of person I (or anyone else) believed he was.

DuncinToffee · 14/08/2025 08:33

Gordon made his position untenable.

The whole Isak saga is a big mess.

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JasonTindallsTan · 14/08/2025 08:58

I didn’t even want Gordon, I thought he had a bad attitude. He’s since proved me wrong on that whilst playing for us for the most part but I see why Everton fans are still salty about it all. And unfortunately for Everton they did need to sell for PSR reasons (🤬).

But Newcastle hold all the cards re Isak’s future, we don’t need to sell this summer. And we aren’t going to unless it benefits us to do so.

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