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EHCP support thread no. 4

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Phineyj · 28/10/2024 10:17

We've nearly filled the thread again, so here's a new one. Welcome everyone: newcomers, people stuck in the process; battle-hardened veterans of many years...

Here are links to previous threads:

EHCP support thread - www.mumsnet.com/talk/special_educational_needs/4834986-ehcp-support-thread

EHCP support thread no. 2 - www.mumsnet.com/talk/special_educational_needs/4989146-ehcp-support-thread-no-2

EHCP support thread no. 3 - www.mumsnet.com/talk/special_educational_needs/5077140-ehcp-support-thread-no-3

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BrightYellowTrain · 05/12/2024 21:47

I would urge you to consider appealing B&F as well as I. Particularly because you want SS.

MinnieTruck · 05/12/2024 21:54

@BrightYellowTrain I think the LA stated that the placement type was mainstream because of the fact that I asked them to consult with DD’s nursery. So I’m guessing they thought that mainstream is what I was after. B&F are really strongly worded so I can’t see it being a problem with the SS but we’ll see. I’ll keep our conversation via PM!

@Ponche bloody hell. So when do you have the hearing? See, I feel guilty that DS is 2.5 and isn’t currently in nursery. I would feel slightly better if he was already going somewhere and the appeal would be happening behind the scenes. I DREAD to think the LA wouldn’t name a place unless it goes to tribunal. I’ll literally cry lol and no problem! Feel free to message if you want to.

@handmademitlove I’m going to see how it plays out and will get my mind around starting an appeal if that’s what I have to do

millimurphy · 08/12/2024 14:19

Just had our request for an EHCP assessment for our daughter refused. They waited right until the 6 week deadline to inform us. The y told us that any needs could be met with the schools provision. Our daughter is currently waiting for an autism assessment (2 years to wait). She is in year 6 and has not been able to attend school since term started due to anxiety and sensory issues. She struggled with attendance as well during year 5. She finds everything too noisy, too busy, too bright. She hates changes to routine and other kids disrupting and not following rules.

She is not on the Sen register. School have not suggested anything particularly useful (mentioned quality first teaching, now/next boards, visual displays/timetables and an art therapy intervention. She also had a SCiP worker who worked with us and gave us ideas to help at home with regulation and emotions). At the moment I go and sit with her for an hour in a quiet room - if we get there just before 9am she gets an attendance mark. She is not able to engage with any school work and can not concentrate for any length of time. School have said she is 'fine' when she has been in, but she tells me she isn't and now will go mute, refuse to get dressed or washed, withdraws into herself. She won't leave the house apart from the hour we go into school together, doesn't want to see anyone from school and gets very angry and defensive to any requests or questions. She will sit huddled in a darkened room wrapped in blankets with a dummy in - and school say she has no SEN needs.

I want to appeal the ehcp decision but don't have any evidence apart from what we see at home and what our daughter tells us. She has been refused a cahms request (not depressed enough or self harming), doesn't qualify for an OT referral and I can't get any response from the school about an educational psychologist assessment to look at her needs. Apparently school can meet need but she us unable to go in. Apparently she is meeting expectations academically (although her previous work books are sporadic and disjointed with increasingly bad handwriting). I don't know what to do now. How to appeal, how to gather more evidence. She starts secondary next year and I know she will not be able to cope.

Her elder brother is autistic so I see the similarities in her behaviour and reactions, but while we wait 2 years for an assessment it seems we are in limbo. I have lots of emails to the school where I have been asking for help but they have not given a firm plan on how they are going to help her. They obviously think she is fine and that I just need to force her in. I think she is masking at school and is now in burn out.

Any advice on how to proceed please?

Very worried in Cornwall

BrightYellowTrain · 08/12/2024 14:43

@millimurphy definitely appeal. The school clearly can’t meet DD’s needs if she can’t attend. Any decision now should also consider the upcoming transition. Meeting ARE academically doesn’t mean an EHCNA isn’t required,

Make SARs to the school, GP, CAMHS, autism assessment team (if that isn’t CAMHS). If you need independent assessments but can’t afford them and aren’t eligible for legal aid, contact Parents in Need. However, you may have enough evidence from the SARs to get over the threshold for EHCNA. It is a relatively low threshold.

In the current climate, an EP assessment via the school or LA outwith the EHCP process is unlikely, I’m afraid.

If DD is unable to attend school full time, is alternative provision in place?

Phineyj · 08/12/2024 17:57

As well as all the stuff @BrightYellowTrain says, keep a diary factually describing what is happening each day.

We didn't have much evidence from school but I had a lot from home. SENDIST believed me.

Have you spoken to your GP about getting an assessment for ASD sooner using Choose and Book? You could also look at Caudwell Kids if you're anywhere near Keele: www.caudwellchildren.com/changing-lives/how-we-can-help/autism-services/autism-assessments/

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Alltheyearround · 08/12/2024 21:17

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Alltheyearround · 08/12/2024 21:27

Parents of children at specialist settings have been contacted by our LA to say they are 'moving all children to mainstream'. I kid you not. Breathtaking. The law didn't change while I wasn't looking did it? So what the hell is this? I notice the government is making similar noises, surely they don't think this is the way to solve the national SEND crisis? What just sing la la la and pretend there's nothing wrong and everyone is OK at mainstream? Having a laugh.

We are looking towards specialist 6th form. We have to try, DS has been failed and failed again by this rotten system.

BrightYellowTrain · 08/12/2024 21:30

@Alltheyearround before I reply publicly (as my reply would give away what your post said), you may want to ask MNHQ to delete your post. You do not know who is reading. It isn’t unheard of for LAs to read MN. You do not want the LA to know this. If you are happy for it to stand, I will post more. If not, I will PM you.

BrightYellowTrain · 08/12/2024 21:31

Alltheyearround · 08/12/2024 21:27

Parents of children at specialist settings have been contacted by our LA to say they are 'moving all children to mainstream'. I kid you not. Breathtaking. The law didn't change while I wasn't looking did it? So what the hell is this? I notice the government is making similar noises, surely they don't think this is the way to solve the national SEND crisis? What just sing la la la and pretend there's nothing wrong and everyone is OK at mainstream? Having a laugh.

We are looking towards specialist 6th form. We have to try, DS has been failed and failed again by this rotten system.

This has been happening in other LAs for a while. See some of the Safety Valve agreements. It just encourages more unlawfulness. All about saving money in the short term.

Alltheyearround · 09/12/2024 20:27

BrightYellowTrain · 08/12/2024 21:31

This has been happening in other LAs for a while. See some of the Safety Valve agreements. It just encourages more unlawfulness. All about saving money in the short term.

Happy to PM. Post taken down, only just read your reply. Yes sensible.

Mummytodw · 10/12/2024 22:27

Hi

We are doing that wd atm and have also just done an emergency review.

I have noticed on the ehcp that some stuff is noted that my daughter can do and is in section B like say phrases and join in groups. She cannot do this and the notes from senco at ar also confirm this. Can I therefore request these things to be removed are amended as it does look like my daughter is more able then she actually is

BrightYellowTrain · 10/12/2024 22:55

Yes, propose the amendments and deletions you think are required.

Macramepotholder · 12/12/2024 16:30

THE LA HAVE AGREED TO DRAFT A PLAN.

I am amazed we didn't have to go to appeal, I really think it was the full cognitive testing that did it. Wine tonight!

We're going to have some late evidence come in from the SLT report, can we request that is considered as part of the drafting process?

BrightYellowTrain · 12/12/2024 17:12

Brilliant news @Macramepotholder.

Yes, you can request the SALT’s evidence is considered.

Macramepotholder · 12/12/2024 17:44

Thank you for everyone's help so far!

DP now asking if DD should bother sitting the banding test she was slated to do tomorrow given school will be named anyway. The whole thing was going to be a bit of a trial for her so tempted to say she should skip it. Which is a bit risky but am 95% sure she'll get into first choice anyway and this was belt and braces.

BrightYellowTrain · 12/12/2024 17:52

@Macramepotholder at some schools, even DC placed via EHCPs sit the school’s banding test. If the school is named, DC aren’t refused a place, but the place is allocated from that band’s allocation.

Macramepotholder · 12/12/2024 19:21

Yes, we don't want one of the schools covered by the banding test though- they are 3-6 choice. So tempted not to bother as we'll both try and get our preferred school named and think we'll get in anyway. It was more an insurance so we don't end up at the other end of the Borough...

BrightYellowTrain · 12/12/2024 19:28

@Macramepotholder if it wouldn’t be your preference then I wouldn’t bother either.

Phineyj · 12/12/2024 21:40

@Macramepotholder congratulations!

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Macramepotholder · 13/12/2024 09:21

Thanks for all the advice @Phineyj - just hope we don't have to appeal the content now...

Mummytodw · 13/12/2024 11:11

Hi the school have given me the age my daughter is functioning at which ranges between mainly 15 -36 months. I would like this noted in the ehcp as nothing is on there at all about functiong age. Can I just put this in section b under cognition in the working document?

BrightYellowTrain · 13/12/2024 11:14

@Mummytodw that information can inform section B.

Mummytodw · 13/12/2024 11:16

Thank you... I think it is quite important given that she is 6 in two weeks

Macramepotholder · 14/12/2024 07:17

Weird procedural question- as DD is in year 6 do the LA consult with both her current school and a proposed secondary? Or do they just sort of forget about the current school at this juncture and just go forward looking? We've missed all the deadlines for transition etc.

And second question which I have tried to look up- if we appealed the content of the EHCP once issued, presumably whatever is in the issued EHCP applies while an appeal is in process?

I don't think we're going to have to appeal placement as we'll name the school we likely would have got on the common application anyway, but I think SALT provision will be the main battle.

BrightYellowTrain · 14/12/2024 09:55

@Macramepotholder the finalised EHCP remains in force if you appeal until another version is finalised.

The LA needs to name a placement/type of placement for the remainder of Y6, so they must consult primary too.