Xenophobia, homophonic, transphobia

[spstchmu]

Are you gonna do anything about it? Like, i know the line is that shoving the madness in the feminism board means it's not transphobia. And I know it's been done to death but I'm sick of it. It's not acceptable. Xenophobia, racism and homophobia also increasing.
And no. I won't leave. This is the biggest forum of its kind and it needs to represent and respect us all. And care that it's not.

Why are women not allowed dignity and privacy away from male bodied people? Most and women (and normal men) prefer single sex spaces when they’re toileting or changing. So far from it being a ‘non issue’ or that ‘nobody cares about this in real life’ or that ‘it doesn’t matter.’ Actually it does.

Men commit most of the violent and sexual crime. Women need to be allowed to have single sex spaces for privacy and dignity away from men. And that’s ALL men, not just your mate, or son, or the ‘just want to live a quiet life’ trans woman down the road. You allow a loophole in the law and it lets them all in.

It’s not transphobic to point this out. And clearly some people are still naive about the dangers men pose to women and girls. And it’s not even necessarily about trans. I don’t care about sharing a toilet with a trans man. It’s actual biological men we need to risk assess. And the risk is too much to indulge this legal fiction.

Eh?

She didn't raise it as an issue. She was accused of transphobia.

That isnt true because they will raise other issues to authoritative agencies that are far more likely to cause them issues inside the prison in regards to their treatment. The majority of screws are conservative and would actually support a woman who vocalised an issue with trans prisoners because it would align with their worldview generally that trans people are inherently bad in some way.

You're more likely to be fucked over by the staff for formally raising the misogynistic or racist bullying of prisoners by a screw than objecting that to a trans prisoner. A lot of the worst screws would enjoy that it makes life for the trans prisoner harder while they are there. A lot of screws believe that prison should include continued punishment and torture (by them).

If organisations like Women's Aid think single sex spaces are vital then I think it's fair to say they're vital.

Same with racism and xenophobia.

When I asked if I should report a muslim colleague who married his 14 year old cousin I was told I was racist so never did report him. Likewise if you mention statistical facts about immigrant groups doing 25 times more rapes than other groups then again racist.

It's time all these subjects could be debated without people like OP hiding behind isms.

Lots of women see trans women as women, so to some extent, trans women are accepted as women in society. Like it or not.

How many is ENOUGH for you to admit that the vulnerable and oppressed sex deserve our spaces? 1? 25? 100? 276? GIVE US A NUMBER!! To most decent people, one is one...too...many. Even the possibility that it may happen is more than enough to keep males with penis and testicles out of changing rooms where women and little girls are in a state of undress! This really should not need to be explained.

Apparently men are a risk to women when they are employed but not when they are actual criminals locked in the same cell.

Also, men who say they are women and are in jail, are in there for crimes of a sexual nature at 3 times the rate of men who are in jail and who do not say they are women. All the time being completely safe when put in a female jail.

Baffling.

Well, they aren't are they?

So many people have been duped or are deluded or just maybe, not wanting to be doxxed, harassed, sacked, threatened or any other number of threats that the activists thrust towards women who say 'no'.

I don't understand your point? Everyone knows that it's completely different to be a member of staff in a prison than a fellow prisoner in terms of access and how you are treated. You aren't going to be forced to share a cell with a caterer are you?

Are you dismissing the views and experience of the only ex woman prisoner posting on this thread?

Maybe get your facts right. Brianna Ghey's death had nothing to do with so-called 'transphobia'.

Guess how many females are murdered each year? 60,000 to 80,000. Females not harming anyone, who are brutally murdered. So maybe care more about females murdered than males murdered.

Healthcare, particularly during pregnancy, is a big one. When I was in prison, some pregnant women were still handcuffed to the bed while an inpatient in hospital. Even in the throes of labour.

Antenatal appointments were cancelled due to stuff in the prison, meaning women would miss whole appointments or scans and have to have them rebooked. One prisoner when j was in there missed her 20 week anamoly scan and didnt get one until 26 weeks when it was found the baby was incompatible with life outside the womb. She then had a termination at that stage of pregnancy when it could have been sooner if she had proper antenatal care.

Of course in day-to-day matters such things are largely unimportant and irrelevant. I think what interests many people is the coding at institutional level, not an interpersonal level.

For example, institutions began in recent years to code male individuals as female due to a stated wish of those individuals, without basis in law or safeguarding.

I’m very happy not to have genitalia obtrude into my working life, but it has done once or twice. For example, dealing with a pupil exposing theirs to other pupils, and once a member of staff inserting theirs into a pupil’s, very sadly. This was possible due to other members of staff forgetting that genitalia is sometimes important and occasionally attached to certain negative behaviours. This is why we have safeguards in place, and these are sex based.

Sheesh. I don't care whether you want to be male or female. All I ask is that you don't ram your beliefs down my throat. I hate all the gleeful 'pride' stuff as much as I hate gleeful resident doctors grinning while they are striking.
I hate middle class folk standing up for the illegal refugees when they've never walked through a multicultural area, much less lived in one. If you want to be British, BE British & leave everything else at home.
Normal is good.. I'd like to leave this earth knowing that my kids & grandkids are ok, but lately I despair..
Ageism? Well, on MN I keep being accused of being a Boomer. What exactly does that mean? That I was born in a certain time? Well yes, absolutely I was. And? It certainly doesn't mean that I've got fat pensions coming out of my ears. I wish.

Hell, I just want to be left alone to get on with MY life.

MALES are an overwhelming threat to women and girls. Males.

And it doesn't matter what they are wearing. That's what you cannot seem to understand. You genuinely think a male wearing a dress instead of a suit and tie is somehow 'safer' to the female sex....don't you?

If men were thought to pose the threat they do to women by the prison system, there is no way they'd put men in positions of authority over any women, let alone who have had some of their rights removed.

Everyone knows you can’t change sex though. Nobody more than trans people themselves know this.

You're the one saying that because something is rare, it is an acceptable risk. Or it 'neVah HaPpenS', despite the thing that 'never happens', happening almost weekly.

That's not my point.
My point is nobody needs to say "but don't be silly, two men can't have a baby". Nobody says that is homophobic.

They do need to say - repeatedly - men can't breastfeed, girls can't turn into boys by cutting off their breasts, there are only two sexes, and men are the only sex that can rape.

I think some people feel their gender (identity) and sex are distinct and their gender (identity) is more core to their identity than their sex.

As gender is a manufactured concept, then no, one’s anatomy doesn’t affect gender identity in any way.

’nobody’, ‘such a tiny thing’ - to you. I’m very very pleased that you’re not affected by it, truly, I am! But other women (the real ones!) are and not a single one of those women should lessen their space to make room for someone else.

Oh, here we go then with the 'they will do it anyway'.

We strengthen safeguards, we don't throw up our hands and give up! We lock our doors at night even though 'if a burglar is so determined to break into your house he will do it anyway'.

And it's not just about safety, but privacy and dignity for women and little girls away from the male gaze.