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Xenophobia, homophonic, transphobia

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spstchmu · Today 01:52

Are you gonna do anything about it? Like, i know the line is that shoving the madness in the feminism board means it's not transphobia. And I know it's been done to death but I'm sick of it. It's not acceptable. Xenophobia, racism and homophobia also increasing.
And no. I won't leave. This is the biggest forum of its kind and it needs to represent and respect us all. And care that it's not.

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Differentforgirls · Today 18:40

ThonsDesperate · Today 18:19

I could report that as a personal attack but I prefer to let it stand. Name calling is usually the last resort of someone with nothing useful to say.

Where's the name callng?

ChamonixMountainBum · Today 18:47

Differentforgirls · Today 18:37

Yes it does. But it also gives a false sense of security. Like safe guarding leads raping and murdering children they were allowed to adopt.

Safeguarding is the process of protecting children and adults at risk from abuse, neglect, exploitation and harm. It does not guarantee 100% safety from bad actors but having a robust and well policed safeguarding policy in place substantially reduces the risk of harm to vulnerable people. Its not perfect but its what we currently have.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · Today 18:51

Differentforgirls · Today 18:40

Where's the name callng?

Did you not have a post deleted for name calling? Calling a rape survivor insufferable? The irony.

cherryicecreamisnice · Today 18:55

straighttola · Today 06:45

The thing is, it’s such a non issue in real life.

I am 99.99999% sure I work with a trans woman. It’s obviously impossible to actually know, and it’s not the type of thing you’d ask someone straight up. It doesn’t affect how she does her job, and she just wants to get on with her life. I can’t ever imagine being as angry about it as some people on here are. It’s so overblown.

Wtf has that got to do with anything. People who shout transphobe are usually 99.999999% completely ignorant about the issues and seem to want to stay that way.

Differentforgirls · Today 18:57

Meceme · Today 18:36

And that was an absolutely correct decision by your husband. I'm sure he's absolutely lovely and honest and no risk to children at all (just like my husband who did the majority of childcare of our daughter while I worked) but he was very sensible not to put himself in a position where his actions could be misconstrued.
And if you were encouraging him to do so, you were wrong.

A bit like good men staying out of single sex spaces so the problematic ones who want to override womems and childrens boundaries stand out.

Encouraging him to do so? I was trying to calm the wean down and she was crying for him. In what way, shape or form was it bad of me to want to give her what she wanted?

My point is that it shouldn't matter!

She wanted him and couldn't get him because he was scared it would be misconstrued.

Out of the two of us, I could have been the weirdo.

It's dangerous to think otherwise.

Differentforgirls · Today 18:58

Shedmistress · Today 18:05

No, a certain section of people can bypass linking their names to their crimes...take a guess which group of people gets to not put their old names on a DBS application so the employers do not know their old names...and relies on the ex criminal phoning up a hitline to inform them that they are indeed criminals...go on have a guess.

Ian Huntley.

Differentforgirls · Today 19:01

ChamonixMountainBum · Today 18:07

At least it tracks the people who have been caught. Or shall we not bother with any background checks?

I agree but it is in no way, shape or form, foolproof.

Differentforgirls · Today 19:05

ChamonixMountainBum · Today 18:47

Safeguarding is the process of protecting children and adults at risk from abuse, neglect, exploitation and harm. It does not guarantee 100% safety from bad actors but having a robust and well policed safeguarding policy in place substantially reduces the risk of harm to vulnerable people. Its not perfect but its what we currently have.

Yes, yet we one such safeguarding lead who raped, battered and killed an adopted toddler.

ChamonixMountainBum · Today 19:08

Differentforgirls · Today 19:05

Yes, yet we one such safeguarding lead who raped, battered and killed an adopted toddler.

What point are you trying to make?

NancyBlackettt · Today 19:08

Dadalus · Today 17:03

Very revealing statement. The idea that TW should be entitled to use women's spaces is predicated on the false idea that they are no more threat than any of the women in your life. The men are already not allowed in women's spaces.

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Meceme · Today 19:12

Differentforgirls · Today 18:57

Encouraging him to do so? I was trying to calm the wean down and she was crying for him. In what way, shape or form was it bad of me to want to give her what she wanted?

My point is that it shouldn't matter!

She wanted him and couldn't get him because he was scared it would be misconstrued.

Out of the two of us, I could have been the weirdo.

It's dangerous to think otherwise.

You, as the adult, sometimes have to override what the child wants.
In this case, that would be for the protection of both the little girl and your husband.
I understand what you're saying when you say it shouldn't matter and if we lived in a perfect world it wouldn't. But we don't, and it does.
You are quite right that a female could be an abuser rather than a male but it is not an equal risk. Offending rates show that men offend at a much higher rate than women so mitigating that risk by not allowing an unrelated male to bathe a small girl seems sensible.
If I was the parent of that small child I would not be comfortable with you asking your husband to do this however friendly we were. It would make me question your judgement in caring for my child.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 19:14

cannibalfish · Today 18:28

Nope, I don’t trust anyone like that, and that’s clearly not what I said.

Then why did you mention that all men could be a risk? Including “trans women”, obviously.

Differentforgirls · Today 19:14

ChamonixMountainBum · Today 19:08

What point are you trying to make?

Repeating my self but we had one safe guarding lead......

Btw, thats not the first time I have heard of this. Two schools in my area each had a guidance teacher who was responsible for vulnerable pupils. Turned out both were shagging said vulnerable pupils.

Both him and her are now struck off and both have been convicted.

Both clear enhanced disclosures - because they had NEVER BEEN CAUGHT.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 19:16

It shouldn’t ever be down to one person, the point is that there should be checks and balances to reduce risk.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 19:17

Like female only spaces, just one thing that makes it harder for predatory men to access vulnerable women and girls.

Differentforgirls · Today 19:19

Meceme · Today 19:12

You, as the adult, sometimes have to override what the child wants.
In this case, that would be for the protection of both the little girl and your husband.
I understand what you're saying when you say it shouldn't matter and if we lived in a perfect world it wouldn't. But we don't, and it does.
You are quite right that a female could be an abuser rather than a male but it is not an equal risk. Offending rates show that men offend at a much higher rate than women so mitigating that risk by not allowing an unrelated male to bathe a small girl seems sensible.
If I was the parent of that small child I would not be comfortable with you asking your husband to do this however friendly we were. It would make me question your judgement in caring for my child.

The parents said that my husband should have just went to her as she loved him. They were appalled that he felt he couldn't. We're not all man haters.

Do you have children?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · Today 19:20

Are we back to because some men in positions of power manage to fall through the cracks we should
be letting trans identifying men into women’s spaces? Along with some women are bad too? Some reach.

SaskiaWatkins · Today 19:23

This thread is like a whole bunch of people all shouting at once.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 19:25

We appear to be up to “safeguarding is pointless and doesn’t work and men should feel able to bathe 5 year old girls”

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · Today 19:29

@Differentforgirls - are you going to answer my question - do you think a violent male rapist should be locked up in a prison cell with a vulnerable woman? Yes or no.

Meceme · Today 19:30

Differentforgirls · Today 19:19

The parents said that my husband should have just went to her as she loved him. They were appalled that he felt he couldn't. We're not all man haters.

Do you have children?

Yes I do have children and I'm not a man -hater. I've been married for over 30 years to an amazing man who did the majority of childcare while I worked. I trust him implicitly.
I still wouldn't put him in that vulnerable position because I've spent many years working with children and understand safeguarding.
It's not personal.

Differentforgirls · Today 19:30

SaskiaWatkins · Today 19:23

This thread is like a whole bunch of people all shouting at once.

I know. I'm part of it. I'm leaving it now. It's frustrating. I had a mother coming into my place of work with a holdall of her daughter's belongings, throwing them at me and my colleague and saying "she's your problem now, the wee bitch" for the simple reason her benefits had been stopped as said "wee bitch" had turned 16 and wasn't in work or training.

But it's men.

Differentforgirls · Today 19:36

Meceme · Today 19:30

Yes I do have children and I'm not a man -hater. I've been married for over 30 years to an amazing man who did the majority of childcare while I worked. I trust him implicitly.
I still wouldn't put him in that vulnerable position because I've spent many years working with children and understand safeguarding.
It's not personal.

As have we. He worked in children and families. Here's the thing though. He's better than you as he didn't blame me. He blamed weirdos like the ones on this thread. Like you tbh. It IS personal no matter how you try to mitigate it. You are blaming a woman for putting a man in a position that society put him in. He didn't. He's a better feminist than you.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 19:38

Why are you calling women on the thread “weirdos” because they advocate basic safeguarding practices, @Differentforgirls?

Meceme · Today 19:41

Differentforgirls · Today 19:36

As have we. He worked in children and families. Here's the thing though. He's better than you as he didn't blame me. He blamed weirdos like the ones on this thread. Like you tbh. It IS personal no matter how you try to mitigate it. You are blaming a woman for putting a man in a position that society put him in. He didn't. He's a better feminist than you.

Well that was certainly personal.