Xenophobia, homophonic, transphobia

[spstchmu]

Are you gonna do anything about it? Like, i know the line is that shoving the madness in the feminism board means it's not transphobia. And I know it's been done to death but I'm sick of it. It's not acceptable. Xenophobia, racism and homophobia also increasing.
And no. I won't leave. This is the biggest forum of its kind and it needs to represent and respect us all. And care that it's not.

Fanny then. No wonder these threads go the way they do. Always trying to talk down to people.

No one is asking you to, are they?

It’s not even that. Sorry but that distorts the argument. Most women and girls don’t want to be around unknown men when they’re in a state of vulnerability. Just being around them is too much. Exposing themselves is another unacceptable level but the point of single sex spaces is freedom from the male gaze and dominance.

And no one is asking you to use family ones.

Who now works with incarcerated women.

I volunteer for a charity that supports female prisoners with children so still have a lot of contact with current prisoners. None of them have ever raised this as an issue. I can list loads of other things, mainly barriers to healthcare

Then why do you think your complete non-point is remotely interesting or relevant to the discussion around female only spaces?

Agree.

Are you ordering me off the thread for disagreeing with you? I don't see the new thread title btw, when did it change?

Can you explain why we have single sex prisons in the first place? Putting men who claim to be women into women’s prisons is the most bizarre thing I’ve ever heard of.
Can you explain why, out of the whole of the male prison population, men who claim to be women are massively over represented as being sex offenders or guilty of very violent crimes?
In the men’s population, 19% are sex offenders
In the cohort of men who identify as women, 61% are sex offenders.
That’s some jump!
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

Do you think racism and xenophobia are really the same thing?

That’s great that you’re ok with communal areas. Can you not even consider WHY some people aren’t though? Have you never come across any instances of women being filmed or watched by men whilst changing? Here’s some.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/mixed-gender-changing-rooms-magnet-sexual-predators-5HjdPCR_2/

And before you say - ‘oh but they’re men’s crimes, not transwomen’s’, how is anyone supposed to know which is which when there is absolutely no requirement for a man to even attempt a cursory effort to appear female?

People are entitled to have their boundaries, and most women’s boundaries means no men in single sex spaces thank you.

So as long as there are bigger problems we should overlook ones that are easy to fix ?

real women can multitask !

Not interested.

Yes you've made it quite obvious you're not interested in facts. Nor in hearing women's trauma. Womens needs and rights don't interest you. So why do you continue contributing to these type of threads then.

I don't. I avoid them like the plague. I thought this one would be about the whole thread title - should have known better.

This. We are expected to forget everything we know and most of us have experienced from men. Some men just enjoy a feeling of dominance and control over women. They enjoy making women feel uncomfortable and knowing the woman can't do anything about it. Being allowed in changing rooms is a gift to such men.

Women have only really recently in human history earned the right to bodily autonomy and that includes not having to be naked in front of men you don't want to see you naked. That there are women happy to give away this basic human right of other women, and a right they know full well other women want to keep, is just mind boggling.

And then of course there is also the implied threat. You don't know if that man is safe, what he is going to do, is he going to follow you out, is he secretly filming, will you be put online? Women should not have to worry about all that. You could also very well be the only two people in that changing room, if you are in a changing room at a quiet time for the facility.

None of this is acceptable and its the reason we have single sex changing rooms in the first place.

It was heartbreaking to read an account of young woman who was spied upon by a man when in a changing room in a shop ( open to all genders) and it made her feel really upset and unsafe. She wanted to continue to be ' inclusive' of trans people though so she was urging women to only shop in pairs to keep themselves safe. Let that sink in. Gender ideology has taught that young woman that she should not expect, or have a right, to feel safe by herself when doing something as normal as shopping for clothes. Instead she needs to organise to never be alone. All so that men can get what they want. Everyone who has promoted this misogynistic gender ideology should be ashamed of themselves. You have taught young women that they are no longer entitled to the basic freedoms and safeguarding their mothers took for granted. You have told them that men's feelings matter more. Shameful.

Tiresome argument. You may have put it in crass terms but it is demonstrably the case that women DO “go about their day to day caring about the genitalia of everyone around them”. Because we are hardwired to recognise men and to be wary of them, and for good reason.
There have been huge social media campaigns with women explaining how they never walk home alone/never go running at night/always let someone know they’re home safely/carry their keys in their hand etc etc etc. To pretend that knowing someone’s sex “just isn’t an issue” is to grossly misrepresent the experience of the majority of women.

Well said. Every woman knows the feeling of walking alone at night and hearing footsteps behind them, and feeling relief when they look and see the steps belong to a woman and not a man.

Whether you think it’s ‘cool’ or not, it’s definitely not cool to shame and criticise young women for what they are wearing. I’d call it misogynistic and spiteful.

Absolutely.

Weird flex, because that clearly wasn’t remotely what I said, was it? You personally want cubicles, whoopy do, completely irrelevant to whether the spaces other women use are female only.

Yes it was, but I have neither the time or the inclination to reply to you any more.

Take care.

You'd be seriously hard pushed to find any in threads on the gardening board.

You appear to want to discuss “trans” here. It’s about the fifth post on the thread!

I don’t usually feel the need to specify, I don’t think anyone should have to categorise themself like that, but in this conversation it seemed like relevant info.