Xenophobia, homophonic, transphobia

[spstchmu]

Are you gonna do anything about it? Like, i know the line is that shoving the madness in the feminism board means it's not transphobia. And I know it's been done to death but I'm sick of it. It's not acceptable. Xenophobia, racism and homophobia also increasing.
And no. I won't leave. This is the biggest forum of its kind and it needs to represent and respect us all. And care that it's not.

No it's because a) there arent many trans prisoners overall b) prisoners who encounter trans prisoners have bigger problems including direct threats to safety and c) some of them will genuinely believe trans women are in the right prison.

I know this from both being a prisoner (albeit a while ago) and now having contact with prisoners most days through my volunteering.

I think I have a pretty good perspective on the most pressing issues for female prisoners (as I had to Prisoners Abroad in relation to a British female held in a foreign prison who is to be tranferred here soon).

Only those that confuse trans men with trans women and don't realise trans women are fully intact males with penis and testicles. When women are told transwomen are males with penis and testicles, NO, they overwhelmingly are not, as polls show, accepted as women.

You are attacking the person, not the argument.

This is another common tactic of people who seek to defend gender ideology.

The fact is, locking women up with male prisoners increases the risk to women from male sexual assault. The fact that there was a risk from male guards, is no argument at all to add another layer of risk, and remove another layer of safeguarding.

Something doesn't have to affect me directly for me to have a view on it, @cannibalfish - and I abhor the trans ideology that says fully male bodied rapists and violent prisoners can self identify as female and demand to be housed - and locked up with vulnerable women. My concern is for the women who have been sexually assaulted by these men, not the men themselves.

I care about the dignity, safety and privacy of women in single sex spaces, and will not concede these spaces to males.

She didn't murder her father. She murdered A 40 year old father.

Only those that are confused with the differences between trans men and trans women. When told that trans women are males with penis and testicles, as polls show, women overwhelmingly don't see transwomen as women.

This is one of the more idiotic posts on this subject I've seen. Women's bodies and men's bodies are different. You can train as hard as you like but if you are female you're not going to win the men's 100m at the Olympics. You're not even likely to win at your local sports club against men and older boys. This is not sexist, it's just fact. Women's bodies are extremely complex because of our reproductive roles, which are there whether we choose to reproduce or not. Men's are simpler and thanks to testosterone they are usually taller and stronger and have lots of other advantages that help them with sporting performance. https://boysvswomen.com/#/

That poster seems to think that male staff are a threat and that male inmates aren't, and that prisons are single sex for 'privacy' yet a man locked in the same cell as a women is considered a woman even if he is a rapist.

Talk about confused dot com.

Either men as a class are a threat to women as a class or they are not.

And many female prisoners have come out and said this is a big issue to them.

So I believe them.

Whether they are or aren't isn't the issue. The issue is, they are female. Not male.

Nothing else matters.

I'm the one that's insufferable? Really?

You're the one repeating thousands times over debunked tropes.

And I'm proud that someone who wants to prevent facts being told finds me 'insufferable'. It means I am foiling their plans to misrepresent and deceive. Not on my watch! Feminists will always bring the receipts.

Can we also remember that the Trans Lobby directly targeted changing prison policy to get men into female prisons, because it was thought that nobody cared about female prisoners; and if they could do it there they could replicate that anywhere.

And it seems they were right. Even someone who purportedly works with vulnerable women in prison has never heard of this and thinks it is no threat whatsoever.

Very few trans-identified males have sexual reassignment surgery, and thank god for that, as it's barbaric and carries significant risk of lifelong health problems. What they are more likely to have is facial surgery or breast implants. The trans people getting surgery are young women having double mastectomies.

That’s not actually an argument as to why men should use female spaces, is it? 🙄 whataboutery.

There are not that many transwomen in female prisons, says a pp. Really? Really? All evidence to the contrary.

One of the most outspoken opponents of putting men into women's prisons in Scotland, Rhona Hotchkiss, has spent years working in prisons as health inspector and as a governor. I take her opinion on this over random person popping up on MN making claims we can't verify any day.

Ahh sorry. Happy to be corrected. And double checking, she pled guilty to culpable homicide.

Thank you for the link btw.

The majority of posters on MN, as in the wider world, do not believe that trans identified male people are the same as women or have the right to use female only spaces. Thankfully the law has now been clarified. Mumsnet has been instrumental in providing a space to challenge the misogyny of trans rights activists, and that’s why its detractors throw their toys out of the pram over women having freedom of speech on it. Very simple.

I think it’s quite horrid that when you say that transwomen don’t belong in cells with women you are automatically accused of thinking of all transwomen as mentally impaired sex offenders , that it’s automatically assumed you wouldn’t call them by their preferred name or treat with basic respect

This ^^

Why the snark? If someone who is obviously male who has clearly put a lot of effort into presenting themselves as female and have adapted female pronouns it is hardly unreasonable to assume to that they are trans.

No lots of women are fine with trans women being accepted of women, irrespective of their stage of transitioning or their plans for future procedures.