Xenophobia, homophonic, transphobia

[spstchmu]

Are you gonna do anything about it? Like, i know the line is that shoving the madness in the feminism board means it's not transphobia. And I know it's been done to death but I'm sick of it. It's not acceptable. Xenophobia, racism and homophobia also increasing.
And no. I won't leave. This is the biggest forum of its kind and it needs to represent and respect us all. And care that it's not.

It's about males. Not 'trans'. Males can 'eXisT', just not in female spaces.

It's really not a difficult concept to understand. Males are not going to die if women say NO to them!

I live in London too and work near LSE so often see students who are clearly 'trans / non binary'. I socialise in Soho quite a bit and if sitting at an outside table in a bar or restaurant will again often see people who are part of the TQ+ community. I am heavily involved in sports and witnessed a situation at my club where a transwomen wanted to join and train with the women. Thst was a hard no from the women members.

Um, because as FEMALES, trans men are not a risk to us women!!!

Don't be ridiculous. Of course it wasn't acceptable. Murder is never acceptable.

I don't even know what point you're trying to make here.

'Female screws and female inmates attacking other females, so let males in', is not a coherent, mature or rational argument.

So basically you think we should not try to do anything to prevent rape as men will rape anyway? All the safeguards society put in place should be removed.

This lays bare the deeply anti-women views you have to hold to make self ID work.

You clearly have no idea about the impact men who identify as women in certain situations may have.
Look at the MOJ reports on these men in prisons, rapists placed in the female prison estate. Many of whom only decided they were trans after being sentenced.
Look at the impact on female sport in certain states in the US whereby mediocre males decide they’d like to win competition, including scholarships to College, by claiming to be female.
Look at the impact on women from particular faiths who are not able to use facilities that are meant to be single sex but still allow males in.
Do none of these women count?

Safeguarding IS made on hypotheticals and 'worst case scenario', I'm afraid.

Of course. But I was replying to OP who wants people silenced and cancelled who express views she does not like.

Don’t read the Gender Critical FWR threads, then.

People kvetched and whinged sufficiently enough that MN created a separate Feminism group that was specifically for non GC discussions.

And surprise - surprise, it’s like a tumble weed in there.

Regarding single sex spaces I would still be uncomfortable with a man I knew was gay coming into the single sex space.

What makes it troubling is that a female single sex space is a very clear societal boundary, and any male- trans or otherwise - that ignores that boundary is a problem. They the individual might not be a threat but they are choosing to ignore something that keeps women safe for their own comfort. Gay men are also at risk in the male spaces but they haven’t dumped that on women to solve.

This is one of the issues that demonstrates which trans women are misogynistic and which are not because they understand it isn’t about identity it’s about safety. The misogynistic tone of TRA is open for all to see in the Reddit discussions, and the placard threatening to hang TERFs.. i.e women who say no.

Do you guess that based on their appearance? Or do they wear a badge or something?

It's for safety, as well as privacy.

No the argument is that if you care about female prisoners, you'd care about the issues they actually feel are most pertinent to them.

One is ONE...TOO....MANY!!!!

I disagree

Why do you think that is? Because they darent. It’s not hard to figure it out, female prisoner won’t complain about a man being incarcerated with her because she’ll be seen as transphobic, possibly punished and still have to have that possibly violent male locked up alongside her.

Oh so the trans men arent mentally ill perverts then just the trans women?

Firstly, no, the point of being in jail is rehabilitation/punishment, not a loss of your human rights. Even people in prison still have human rights. They are inalienable. And one of those human rights is not to be raped!

And if you think that locking men up with vulnerable women is perfectly ok then you have no right to be working with those women. You clearly have no regard to safeguarding,

So your argument is that because men rape in these circumstances, we should not do anything to prevent men raping in these other circumstances?

So unless we can stop all rapes, we should not try to stop any rapes?

And because there is a low conviction rate for rape, we should not try to prevent rape?.

These are the sort of illogical, anti-women views you have to fall back on to support gender ideology.

You are advocating removing the safeguarding put in place to protect women, from voyeurism, flashing, assault and rape. This drive to remove this safeguarding did not come, it’s important to note, because society decided it was no longer needed or because it doesn’t work, but because some people wanted to allow men to be able to go into these spaces. You have had to invent after the fact justifications for this position and all those justifications are weak, thin, illogical and deeply anti-woman.

Christ alive, safeguarding principles are based on hypotheticals. You put measures in place to prevent the unlikely taking place in the first place.

You are statistically unlikely to be burgled in your lifetime, I bet you still lock your doors though. Just because something is unlikely to happen you don’t then go ‘ah well we’ll make it even easier’.

Single SEX spaces exist for a reason. Women have the right to them, whether one, none or a million women are attacked.

I see the usual ‘MN is transphobic’ brigade have yet to offer up a reasonable example of transphobia. Yawn.

None of us have a problem with 'trans people'. The fact that we have no problem with trans men should have given you that hint!....

We have a problem with the MALE SEX.

And it doesn't matter what clothes that male sex uses to wear.

She was a PRISONER.

I am not taking part in this thread, just reading it.

The case is here:

Female prisoner claims she was blocked from parole over 'trans' abuse of inmate - Daily Record

The claim of being transphobic was found not proven.

Jayney is herself in jail for muder (her father), and she claimed the accusation of transphobia against her prevented her parole.