To be bored of the trans hate?

[DaisyUpsy]

Ok, there are extremists (like the punch people in the face person), extremists can be found in many areas of life but is anyone else fed up of the trans stuff constantly being dragged up?

I've seen some ridiculous statements on here recently. Everything gets something added related to trans when it's totally irrelevant. It's getting boring. Trans extremists are not the norm so can we stop pretending they are?

I dont agree with hate. But my concern sits with girls and women.

Well, I know / have worked with Trans people who are (of course) just getting on with their lives, facing challenges, and have never met a Terf-punching Rape-threatening Urine-throwing extremist. So yes, anecdotally, in my life, extremists are a minority.

However, whoever is behind it, Trans ideology is not a minor influence in my life.

Challenging gender ideology and it’s manifestation in law, education, employment, health etc where it has an effect in others is not the same as hating Trans people.

I do not hate anyone for being Trans and support their right to live free from discrimination and prejudice.

YABVU. In the 5 years I have been GC, I haven't seen any compromise from the GI crowd at all . Indeed, I have seen an escalation of violence and threats towards women and girls and increasing attempts to harm our rights.

YADNBU

Which is reasonable but the debate has increasingly become controlled by frenzied loyalty to one side or the other. At this point it’s quite difficult to find a debate pov that isn’t highly biased and demanding.

case in point:

If you in anyway agree with any ‘concerns’ then you are transphobic. There’s no ifs or buts on that

I’m sick of people thinking that they can categorise my views and assign terminology that bears no resemblance whatsoever to my actual sentiments. It’s hijacking opinion and squashing it into a box so it can be sorted into other peoples agendas.

DARVO.

Who is trying to compel speech? Who is using violent threats? Who sticks to “no debate”? Who is actively harming vulnerable teens, most of whom have been identified to be autistic, neglected, abused, mentally ill?

This movement has managed to twist fact into bigotry. I don’t know how they’ve done it, but this insidious ideology is everywhere.

Helen Joyce’s Trans is a good read.

This

@Gerrataere because it's very relevant. If that's your opinion as a trans person that's one thing. If that's your opinion as a non trans person who feels they somehow have a right to speak for all trans people, then that's exactly the kind of hateful extreme nonsense being spread around that I'm talking about.

I hate men with nipple fetishes putting their nipples into babies mouths pretending to 'breast feed' them, I'm not going to lie.

I hate girls having their breasts removed, I'm not going to lie.

I hate criminals [attempted murder no less] who were given a life sentence but released on licence, telling crowds in London to Punch a TERF, and who the MET don't bother even investigating as it's just women innit, I'm not going to lie.

I hate men who commit all sorts of sexual assaults being transferred into women's prisons, putting all women there at risk, I'm not going to lie.

I hate women being called any number of derogatory terms from Bonus Hole to Chest Feeder to Gestator to Birthing Parent, I'm not going to lie.

I hate to see women who requested single sex care being sent a man who says he is a woman, I'm not going to lie.

I hate to see women who are followed into female toilets at work by a man, and having to apologise whilst he records it, all for saying that the tampons are not for him, I'm not going to lie.

I hate Scottish Politicians going on protests and standing in front of Decapitate TERFs signs, I'm not going to lie.

To be honest, if you love all those things and thousands more, I think you need a word with yourself, I'm not going to lie.

Why would it be appropriate to 'move on' when these legitimate concerns (no quotation marks required) have not been addressed?

I, for one, am not going to 'move on', thanks all the same.

Women try to speak, men punch to silence.

Let’s all blame the women. Yeh not for me.

That's a big part of it, to be truthful. But how do you tell the difference between "genuine" transwomen and those bad faith actors who are using the trans agenda to get access to vulnerable women and children?

Trans extremists are not the norm so can we stop pretending they are?

Pretending that its possible for a man to be a women is an extreme view.

Theres no trans view that isnt extreme.

Also, it's bored with not bored of.

Op you are so unreasonable, and extremely naive.

Case and point right here

Perhaps the anger is because of the actions of I person and activists at the Pride rally in London, and those similar?

Yes, I know the link is DM, because it's paywall free, but it is on other media and film on Twitter.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12280305/Transgender-activist-tells-crowd-Trans-Pride-march-TERF-punch-face.html

My opinion comes from being a woman, which has equal value to any else in this world. What have I said that you deem to be ‘extremism’ or speaking on behalf of all trans people? There are plenty of transgender adults who hold critics views of the new age ideology. Unsurprisingly many of those people are also vilified. And let’s not get started on detransitioners….

I believe that any ideology that demands compliance and denial of facts is dangerous if allowed to run amok.

By "run amok" I mean that the ideology enforces its belief system on non-believers and believers alike.

I have the right not to engage, to refuse to allow an ideology that I don't believe in to interfere with my life, yet I've now got to deal with fully intact adult males in my changing rooms, and I have to stfu about it. Stonewall Law has been implemented in the NHS, in schools, in the police force, in my leisure centre.

I see hate, but it's directed at me.

Sigh.

It's not hate to stand up for the rights women have fought for and had previously determined are needed until a new group decided 'lol you don't get that anymore, I'm taking it'.

I don't hate trans people. I don't know anyone who does. But I do hate the ideologies entitlement to being 'women' and everything we struggle for, and have BECAUSE of male violence and entitlement. The same people we need to be kept safe from, or compete separately to have now decided they can join us if they say they understand being us.

It's honestly mind boggling that this is allowed and even accepted.

And yet I'm sure now I'm a 'hater'.

#BeKind - only women though, right?

I haven't seen hate. Since I read the biography of April Ashley when I was a teenager back in the 1970s I have always had huge compassion for trans people. However women are allowed to stand up for the rights of biological women. that is not hate- it is love for women. I support our current gender change laws in England too.

Which is reasonable but the debate has increasingly become controlled by frenzied loyalty to one side or the other. At this point it’s quite difficult to find a debate pov that isn’t highly biased and demanding.

Everything is so polarised right now that I can’t believe that such divided views across the board aren’t somehow benefiting someone (our corrupt government maybe?).

However the trans debate (or lack of debate) has no middle ground. Humans can’t change sex. Allowing some men to be seen as genuine trans and therefore access all areas (and I mean all - there are vanishingly few female only spaces now, even things like endometriosis groups on fb have TW moderators, I’ve yet to find a lesbian group that doesn’t include men) harms women, whether you understand or not.

Many women cannot access spaces if they are mixed sex, because of past trauma, general distrust of men, religion. Yet men are being prioritised over women to be embraced as women. If you ever say no to them see what happens! Insults, threats, sometimes actual
violence.

This issue for me is you’re with women (GC) or you’re not. All humans are either male or female, that’s where the line is, not some undefinable feeling.

Just following because I'm interested to see if this thread gets shifted off to the naughty corner. Those started from a pro-woman perspective often do, even if the OP would prefer that they didn't.

I agree. I wish all that anger could be directed towards actual issues. Most rapes are by cis men, no one is on here ranting about that.