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[ofwarren]

Hi,

The Nicola Bulley thread must have been hidden overnight by nightwatch. I wasn't on it at the time to see what happened.
Are we allowed the post back or are we not allowed to discuss it now?

I found the previous threads no more than an exchange of theories in a deeply upsetting and unsettling case. It is human nature to speculate as to what may or may not have happened to a young mum going about her day x

What happened last night was a certain poster came on and started trying to attack me as she had done earlier in the day, I asked her to leave me alone and not reply to me anymore and then the thread disappeared shortly after that.

At first I thought there was nothing wrong with this issue being discussed, its a truly horrific situation and people are scared/want answers on whats happened. It makes you think twice about going out on your own.

However, I think it should be left alone now. There are too many posters just trying to look for any reason to blame the family, or to try and say she was suicidal or has walked off without any evidence whatsoever. If you try and push back against their toxic narratives then it descends into arguments and they twist what you say and it goes on and on.

Someone earlier was looking for an example of a copper or ex copper trying to shut the post down? Ahem….

Nope. Night Watch don't receive any reports. It's just what we happen to notice or threads that have been drawn to our attention via the NW topic.

I wasn't around last night but the nightwatchers that were felt the thread should be hidden until MNHQ could look more closely at the increasing speculation, insinuation, accusations and acrimony between posters.

NW can't just monitor a thread all night and neither can MNHQ during the day. They rely on reports, as has already been pointed out by some on thie thread.

I agree @SueG60 . I saw the altercation yesterday and felt that commenting so authoritatively on the state of NB’s mental health was really unpleasant and you were quite right to challenge it.

Thank you
It isn't night watches fault, I totally understand your constraints
I still haven't heard from mumsnet what they are going to do about the locked post though

Hi ofwarren

Dunno, but I imagine they are still ploughing through the overnight reports!

Anyway, I'll probably turn into a pumpkin or something if I continue to post during daylight hours, so I'm going now.

I just wanted to make it clear that the thread wasn't hidden in response to police or anyone else reporting because NW don't see reports

😂

'Major contributor' 'Respectfully'

I've given my opinion a number of times on this thread. I've made no comment about the case itself.

No idea what point you are trying to make.

you seem to be spending a lot of time on here covering it and have spent a lot of time reading all the news reports.

How stupid.

I'm not a) spending a lot of time - it's a few minutes several times over a day b) reading all the news reports - I keep appraised in a normal, non-obsessive way, like I do with most news stories of national and international relevance.

I feel bad though because in the process of trying to say its not a suicide case I think I upset some people. People were speculating it was, I said its not, they say 'how do you know it could be', I then give reasons why its very much not likely, then people pop up saying how they know somebody who did it without any signs beforehand and how I'm wrong.

So apologies again if I upset anyone with that. I just don't think it can be discussed sensibly without becoming chaos, and everything that can be said about it has already been said, unless any more evidence comes to light.

Or people who dipped in & out, as I did, and thought their premise, and how they broadly were headed, was really unpalatable?

Does anyone have an idea why there hasn't been the standard appeal with the police sat beside the family. The interviews have all been by the media. Lastnight interview was so different to any other case we've seen.

@ofwarren I think it was something to do with sue and another poster, it was hidden shortly after that exchange. I do hope I didn't contribute to it being pulled with my post. I've followed these threads from beginning, other than the nastiness from random posters, it has been very well managed by you and others.

Some of the posts on the last thread were offensive to people who have lost loved ones through suicide. That may be part of the reason it was hidden.

Presumably because the police continue to pursue their main hypothesis of Nicola entering the water accidentally with seemingly no evidence found so far to support either this or any other alternative.

On the subject of online speculation and 'armchair detectives'....without the aid of 'web sleuths' Marion Barter's family (of The Lady Vanishes podcast) would still be hitting a brick wall with the police insisting she was a missing person who left of her own accord.

The podcast gained worldwide attention which forced a formal review of the case which, in turn, resulted in further investigation. It also gained enough traction that the case was referred to the coroners court and an inquest was opened - the family are closer than ever to finding out what happened to Marion.

All of this was possible because of one 'web-sleuth' who found a lonely hearts ad, which they followed up and found a man, completely unknown to Marion's family who astonishingly admitted to having an 'affair' with her. Further investigation into this man had revealed he has a history of conning women. Nobody had heard of this man, none of Marion's friends or family - he was only found because of online-speculation.

The case is still unsolved as far as I know, but without the 'online speculation' Marion's daughter would be left with only the police narrative that her mum had willingly left.

I think the 'oh PA twitched and rubbed his nose therefore he's guilty' posts should be removed - but general discussion of this bizarre case is not harmful to the investigation and it's a shame people have been silenced on this.

A link to Marion's disappearance if you've never heard of her - fascinating case:

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/11/27/asia/australia-marion-barter-florabella-remakel-missing-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

Those posts were mine and thats why I'm apologising, I tried to draw a line under it and move on but it kept coming back. They were on thread 6 though not the one last night, there wasn't any discussion of that last night.

I didn't mean to offend anyone, I was merely trying to explain why it wasn't a suicide and was being pushed to give details to rule it out. This is the problem with internet forums, things get twisted and can escalate quite quickly.

The threads have been very interesting but the attacks on individuals , whether it's other posters, family members or indeed NB are just too far . Here's hoping common sense prevails and the thread can be continued

@SueG60

The thing is no one really knows and I think it winds some posters up when people say something as fact, particularly about a topic as sensitive as suicide

@Bluebellwood129 yes maybe, but that's why I've thought it's strange there hasn't been a televised standard appeal for her as a missing person because like you say there's no evidence either way or anything at all.

Out of interest what did you think about the program?

@Shewasnthere For me, it raised yet more questions which I obviously can't mention here because it would be straying into speculation. It seems to me that Nicola's partner is desperate to keep the case in the media and for the focus to move away from the water, but that he's considering all possible outcomes at this stage. Whether the timing of the programme was right is another discussion and that's not for me to comment on.
How about you?

@Bluebellwood129 I also can not say on here my thoughts on it. But it was an uncomfortable watch for many reasons.
Although absolutely every other thing/event is speculated about any other time. So I'm not sure why we're not allowed to speculate this specific case. You will always have people on either side of the fence and some in the middle. That's just human nature and difference of opinion and the way in which we individually receive information.

I agree. I think discussion of the facts is very important and that will naturally lead to speculation. Some of the posts last night on thread 7 were highly inappropriate though. With hindsight, it might have been wise to have taken that down temporarily in the same way that other forums paused commenting. There was obviously going to be a frenzy.

But she’d started her working day on the move, she didn’t have to clock in, she clearly had flexibility. She could have got chatting with someone she hadn’t seen for a while, or taken another call and got embroiled in a work related matter, been chatting to a friend about something personal. Unless someone has to be somewhere on the dot for a specific reason, like picking up children or similar, to be calling and chasing them up within 30-45 mins seems extreme unless it’s a vulnerable person. Certainly getting your shoes on to go out searching for a fit healthy adult who could have had any number of legitimate reasons to be half an hour longer that he expected sounds stifling to me. But we are all different.