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ofwarren · 11/02/2023 09:26

Hi,

The Nicola Bulley thread must have been hidden overnight by nightwatch. I wasn't on it at the time to see what happened.
Are we allowed the post back or are we not allowed to discuss it now?

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BeigeCar · 11/02/2023 12:35

There is absolutely plenty to discuss and why the hell should women not talk among themselves about a mum of two small dc who disappeared in unusual circumstances? Hmm

Recently we have had police raping and killing young women, insight into sexist and abusive police culture as well as women and children murdered by their male partner. We have incels sprouting online hate and spreading misogyny and the easy to access online violent porn culture.

There is SO much to discuss with the case of missing NB including why she gets all the spotlight but other cases don't get a look in (pretty, middle class, sim etc). I swear there are so many angles of misogyny in this case. The police force itself will be handling this with bags and bags of 'unconscious' bias.

It is for example rather ludicrous of the police to expect us to believe NB fell into the river as if she were a dippy blonde rather than an athletic woman who knows the area very well and is a good swimmer.

Paul himself is promoting publicity and media is participatory not one way so of course people will discuss this online. We are faced with news about NB and talking all the many weird aspects of this through in a respectful way helps to process this shit. Ultimately all women are at risk so naturally many of us are interested.

Please stop trying to shut down a conversation between women. Seriously.

melonraspberry · 11/02/2023 12:36

Firstly Paul clearly wants it to be discussed or he wouldn’t have appeared on a prime time tv show.

secondly, a few of us have been trying to help moderate the threads by reporting comments that blame individuals. I guess at 3am there were less of us on and also MN probably has less resources to monitor.

and thirdly the threads seem to go batshit in the evenings!

I wonder if we could start a new thread and put a warning on the intro re not speculating, and more of us could report unnecessary comments. It may be zapped overnight , so maybe we could name them by date and just start a daily one?

melonraspberry · 11/02/2023 12:37

I don’t mean not speculating I mean not blaming individuals.

confounded234 · 11/02/2023 12:38

BeigeCar · 11/02/2023 12:35

There is absolutely plenty to discuss and why the hell should women not talk among themselves about a mum of two small dc who disappeared in unusual circumstances? Hmm

Recently we have had police raping and killing young women, insight into sexist and abusive police culture as well as women and children murdered by their male partner. We have incels sprouting online hate and spreading misogyny and the easy to access online violent porn culture.

There is SO much to discuss with the case of missing NB including why she gets all the spotlight but other cases don't get a look in (pretty, middle class, sim etc). I swear there are so many angles of misogyny in this case. The police force itself will be handling this with bags and bags of 'unconscious' bias.

It is for example rather ludicrous of the police to expect us to believe NB fell into the river as if she were a dippy blonde rather than an athletic woman who knows the area very well and is a good swimmer.

Paul himself is promoting publicity and media is participatory not one way so of course people will discuss this online. We are faced with news about NB and talking all the many weird aspects of this through in a respectful way helps to process this shit. Ultimately all women are at risk so naturally many of us are interested.

Please stop trying to shut down a conversation between women. Seriously.

Well said

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 11/02/2023 12:39

I'd like to point out that I am a dippy blonde and still don't think I'd manage to get into trouble in that part of the river.

melonraspberry · 11/02/2023 12:40

It also felt at times that it was people working inside the police who were trying to zap the thread - hope I’m not getting too conspiracy like here - with the exception of one regular poster who was local and police related. So that makes it even more important we’re allowed to discuss and raise awareness.

ThisOrdinaryLife · 11/02/2023 12:40

On a wider point can anyone explain how a missing persons enquiry becomes a criminal investigation? Is there a key criteria that has to happen to move it from one to the other when there is no obvious forensic evidence nor a body? As far as I can recall Claudia Lawrence also seemed to disappear with no trace and yet I think that investigation at some point must have moved from a missing persons inquiry to suspected criminal activity.

JaneJeffer · 11/02/2023 12:42

Bluebellwood129 · 11/02/2023 10:31

Websleuths has some interesting discussion. There's a post about a Strava account - someone who visited the area from the village in the window after the phone and Willow was found, the route they took and why they may be of interest.

Have the police been informed?

melonraspberry · 11/02/2023 12:43

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 11/02/2023 11:39

The police has said not to speculate online. For me that means inferring and making defamatory comments. Hypotheses and expressing genuine concern around what has happened to Nicola and the police's handling of the case should be a given in a democratic society.

Paul has said he wants the surrounding land and buildings to be searched as that particular trail is really only known to and frequented by the local community. He knows Nicola, knows the area and has two little girls that want to know what's happened to their mummy. He deserves to be heard after two weeks of 'unprecedented hell' and given that noone else has the insight he has. He is feeling angry and frustrated and personally I think discussion needs to continue albeit in a sensitive and sensible manner.

I think this point he made about it being someone local is key.

Paul seems exceptionally intelligent and I am sure he will carry on looking for resources to help. Presumably he only found Peter Faulding due to all the media coverage .

NightsThatStartWithWhiskey · 11/02/2023 12:43

melonraspberry · 11/02/2023 12:40

It also felt at times that it was people working inside the police who were trying to zap the thread - hope I’m not getting too conspiracy like here - with the exception of one regular poster who was local and police related. So that makes it even more important we’re allowed to discuss and raise awareness.

Can you say what made you feel it was the police themselves trying to get the thread deleted?

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ofwarren · 11/02/2023 12:45

ThisOrdinaryLife · 11/02/2023 12:40

On a wider point can anyone explain how a missing persons enquiry becomes a criminal investigation? Is there a key criteria that has to happen to move it from one to the other when there is no obvious forensic evidence nor a body? As far as I can recall Claudia Lawrence also seemed to disappear with no trace and yet I think that investigation at some point must have moved from a missing persons inquiry to suspected criminal activity.

Im not sure but it would be interesting to know what line of enquiry they would have taken if there was no river there. Would they have opened a criminal investigation then?

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melonraspberry · 11/02/2023 12:46

Possibly I’m being paranoid. But this is the effect of shutting down conversation.

JaneJeffer · 11/02/2023 12:49

I wasn't on the deleted thread but the previous one definitely had people posting stuff to try and get it deleted whatever their reason was.

ThisOrdinaryLife · 11/02/2023 12:53

ofwarren (sorry I don't know how to link back) this is what I'm wondering. I've always thought the river was a red herring, a very obvious one and one that should be investigated, but in other similar cases it would have been just one line of enquiry, not the only line of enquiry.
This tunnel vision is what I think is causing such anguish to Nicola's family and onlookers.

Bluebellwood129 · 11/02/2023 12:56

@JaneJeffer I've no idea if it has been reported but I would assume they would have looked at Strava segments and actively followed up anyone shown to be in the area at that time - particularly a person walking some distance along the river bank.

HitTheBars · 11/02/2023 12:59

melonraspberry · 11/02/2023 12:46

Possibly I’m being paranoid. But this is the effect of shutting down conversation.

What makes you feel it’s the police trying to get the thread zapped?

TheWeeDonkeyFella · 11/02/2023 13:03

I much prefer talking about it on here, rather than on twitter/Facebook/Reddit with all the nut jobs.

To be fair, the thread wasn't exactly a sensible exchange of thoughts the last time I looked last night.

Quveas · 11/02/2023 13:10

JaneJeffer · 11/02/2023 12:49

I wasn't on the deleted thread but the previous one definitely had people posting stuff to try and get it deleted whatever their reason was.

Given the nasty and toxic content of three quarters of the posts on MN, I do wonder how you tell the difference? I dipped into those previous threads, and was horrified at a lot of the content - and that was the stuff that wasn't being zapped by moderators.

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ofwarren · 11/02/2023 13:11

TheWeeDonkeyFella · 11/02/2023 13:03

I much prefer talking about it on here, rather than on twitter/Facebook/Reddit with all the nut jobs.

To be fair, the thread wasn't exactly a sensible exchange of thoughts the last time I looked last night.

I came off it about 10pm so missed all of that.

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DingDonkey · 11/02/2023 13:12

If the new thread was a continuation of what was happening on thread 6 I can see why it got pulled. Two posters just arguing and arguing in a very unpleasant manner, someone continuously posting her inane "theories" as if she was speculating about a TV show...

Daisymaker · 11/02/2023 13:14

PurpleButterflyWings · 11/02/2023 10:37

It was 'hidden' (or deleted) because there were some dreadful accusations aimed at Nicola's husband on there from some armchair detectives with naff-all qualifications, who think they know everything about what happened.

People who think they are experts and they know more than the police, more than the experts, and more than the people involved in her life. Some of the accusations were absolutely vile.

It got completely out of hand. No wonder it was taken down. It does NOT need to be re-instated. As a pp said, there were so many deleted comments that it won't make sense. IMO, there is no need to start a new thread either. Nothing new has been found, NOBODY on here knows any more than the police, and her family, and the conspiracy theories. and accusations are dangerous and damaging.

Calm down with the capitals

Daisymaker · 11/02/2023 13:15

PurpleButterflyWings · 11/02/2023 11:15

And I shall start by hiding THIS thread!

Thank FUCK

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ofwarren · 11/02/2023 13:16

Daisymaker · 11/02/2023 13:15

Thank FUCK

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JaneJeffer · 11/02/2023 13:19

Amazed at the people who followed 7 threads whilst being horrified at them all.

confounded234 · 11/02/2023 13:26

JaneJeffer · 11/02/2023 13:19

Amazed at the people who followed 7 threads whilst being horrified at them all.

Quite

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