How do we discuss the reality of parts of the UK absorbing large numbers of men from other cultures

[BernardBlacksMolluscs]

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come on now. People obviously want to talk about this

I thought the threads were largely honest and respectful

what are the rules of engagement MNHQ? This is real life for many women. How can they talk about it? please advise

I'm off to bed now.

Of course you are 😁

Maybe next time think before coming out with some BS about stats, when you know the stats will not back your crap up.

It feels good to have proven you’re a liar.

And stats are missing the point.

The argument isn't that immigrants are bigger offenders. The argument is that we want to be able to talk about the reasons immigrants might offend without being accused of racism.

We can discuss why white males might offend but talking about why migrants might offend against women, in cultural terms, is racist.

I think that this is wrong. I think we are in danger of creating a sacred caste and if we can name the issues then we are failing the women and girls who are the victims of immigrant males who do offend.

Sorry I posted to soon my final paragraph makes no sense, it should say: .

I think we are in danger of creating a sacred caste and if we can't name the issues for fear of being told we are racist, then we are failing the women and girls who are the victims of immigrant males who do offend.

Actually some of us have to get up early for work. And debating with an irrational angry person who has words and little knowledge isn't enough to keep me from my bed. Sorry you're just not interesting enough 😄😉

Bye. The platform is all yours now.

Don’t we all love.

It’s just such a coincidence how you were very vocal until you were proven completely wrong.

Oh well I guess I’m irrational and angry even though I’m grinning from ear to ear that your misogynistic views have been called out.

Night night.

Someone, I don't know if it was you, seems to excuse the behaviour of migrants because the countries they come from 'need to catch up on human rights'

@lifeturnsonadime I already explained to you the context of that comment, which was in response to someone who kept going on and on about “Quatar”. That you just said the above shows you are being deliberately obtuse.

I wouldn't be surprised if this thread were closed as well given the degree of truculence and lack of interest in civil discussion. Not in the spirit, as they say.

Well if you can't see how Qatar, a country on the world stage for football which is simultaneously being criticised for human rights violations and the fact it treats women as property as relevant to a discussion about how males from other cultures view women as lesser human then that's really your issue not mine.

The views of Qatar on women are typical of Islamic views and are typical of views of males from the Middle East (which I will qualify for the pupose of this discussion includes Northern African Arab states).

The fact that Arab males need to 'catch up on human rights' really doesn't excuse the behaviour of Arab male immigrants that I've experienced personally in Paris and that the poor rape victims and sexual assault victims experienced in Cologne on New Years Eve . There is an acknowledgement that 'hard questions' about the coordinated attacks in Germany were not asked for fear of being accused of xenophobia.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/08/cologne-attacks-hard-questions-new-years-eve

This is not to say that the biggest threat to women comes from immigrants. It is not to say that men as a whole are not a problem. But to brush this under the carpet and to silence discussion doesn't help women. It is not racist to point these issues out.

We look at social and economic reasons that white men commit sexual crimes. We can't do that about immigrants for fear of being accused of racism. That is wrong and it doesn't help women.

There are huge numbers of immigrants from the Middle East working in the nhs as Drs, how do they fit into this narrative? Do we just ignore their contribution and that of all Asian and North Africans too because they are brown and “not local”?

To my mind it’s rather like describing rampaging British football hooligans as “British people”. Yes there are obviously problems with lonely male youths with little to lose and how that might impact their behaviour. Are they really the majority of asylum seekers?

Qualified Doctors obviously come by legal routes, and are in demand- It’s unlikely anyone well qualified would enter via dodgy routes.

Will you please stop equating misogyny within the British police forces to misogyny found in many places across the globe.

Were you sexually assaulted in the street - where do you want to report that?

A. Slough police station
B. Doha

if you said B then there’s really no hope for you.

Qualified Doctors obviously come by legal routes, and are in demand- It’s unlikely anyone well qualified would enter via dodgy routes. interesting. So the issue is with how people enter the country, and specifically with male refugees from the Middle East? Why?

I think lots of people are being purposefully obtuse. People aren't saying that these men potentially pose a threat because of the colour of their skin, their race or any other physical feature. They're saying that due to the way women are viewed and treated in the countries some come from its bound to have an effect; the fact that people from these countries are often not white isnt the issue. Of course generalising on skin colour for no reason beyond well they aren't white is wrong and racist, but no one is doing that. No one is saying that every man is a threat or holds these deeply entrenched views either, but it certainly should be considered and addressed, just as all violence against women should be. Its very naieve to assume places with such clashing cultures mixing in large numbers will have zero impact.

Exactly. Yet again we can’t identify the problem because we get told it’s racist. When large groups of young men from a patriarchal country are moved into a hotel in a small town in the U.K. there will be problems.

This thread is not about boycotting goods though.
It’s about women being concerned about how large numbers of single men from certain cultures arriving in the UK might affect their lives.
It‘s not about what’s happening in other countries and wether or not it’s right, it’s about how people from these places interact with the local population in the UK.

How is she being dense?

Yes from a housing perspective same for Ukrainians.

Did Rotherham and Rochdale never happen should the op "shut their mouths for the sake of diversity" . Honestly we never learn.

Agree with this.

I agree regarding immigrants being a sacred caste for some. Someone upthread said that immigrants are never the problem - that’s such a sweeping statement.
I‘m an immigrant myself, I have Ukranian roots. The first couple times I saw threads with people complaining about Ukranian refugees they had taken in I felt somewhat offended.
But people are entitled to voice their concerns and share their experience, be it positive or negative. It’s better to discuss those issues openly and try to find solutions rather than sweep them under the carpet.

What an admirably sensible and balanced post

honestly, the idea that all us ‘porks’ have opinions influenced by our racist upbringing, but no man raised in a country where women are literally property will never under any circumstances show a similar attitude towards women in a country with different social mores is so bonkers

people are so interested in feeling ‘good’ they’ll happily censor and tone police others

I noticed in our local :rag' that a man who had repeatedly flashed and harassed girls and young women in public spaces like shopping centres and parks in day time has been jailed for 42 weeks.

He will be banned from certain parts of the town. I am uncertain from his name where he is from (possibly Romanian?) why can't he be deported if he has committed a crime or why was he allowed to come here in the first place?