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What actually are your plans to deal with disablism on MN?

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JustAnothersilentorangenugget · 08/07/2017 16:20

You remember you were going to impliment all kinds of things, Message which explained posts were deleted due to disablism, Emails to the posters, proactive buzzwords...

a year on what has been the result of this massive change in moderation?

Now i'm not suggesting this was a carrot, dangled to try and stop people leaving....
But we donkeys ARE getting a little tired of walking and woudl like to know what plans are there for the future to stop attacks.

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Disillusionedone · 16/07/2017 07:43

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zzzzz · 16/07/2017 08:13

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Disillusionedone · 16/07/2017 08:14

To be fair, they have been deleting these posts very swiftly.

zzzzz · 16/07/2017 08:34

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JustadaftProfessor · 16/07/2017 08:41

ZZZZZ you are not the only one feeling this way.

How about a facebook group instead?

Disillusionedone · 16/07/2017 09:04

Yes it really does suck when one is trolled and bullied online and feels rhey have no choice but to leave, zzzz.

JustadaftProfessor · 16/07/2017 12:35

Hi HQ, I know it's asking a lot but would it be possible to get some kind of update / reassurance that something is being done behind the scenes to make re-signing up harder?

BishopBrennansArse · 16/07/2017 12:38

Prof I doubt that'll happen on a Sunday.
Disillusioned it's not just about posters feeling that way - don't forget that rather than address moderation issues that's HQ's preferred option - for the posters being attacked to leave. Then they can brush it all under the carpet.

Samcro · 16/07/2017 13:47

was thinking about this....i think MNHQ re unlikely to do anything about disablism at the moment. if they did they would have to go through the 9000 plus posts on the CG threads and deleted LOADS. I can't see that happening . so imo disablism will be allowed for now.

Disillusionedone · 16/07/2017 14:43

Did you report it all?

OlennasWimple · 16/07/2017 15:01

Maybe the way to frame it is that MNHQ is regularly invaded by trolls, and it will always be this way because its philosophy is to make it quick and simple to open account, so that people who need support can get it without having to jump through lots of hoops. It is also often beneficial to MNHQ that MN threads appear high up in internet search results (because this drives traffic to the site, and thus advertising revenue).

Unfortunately, this open approach makes the site vulnerable to non-genuine posters, who cause wider harm than the genuine upset caused to the MNers who read the posts before they are taken down. Moderation has to be swift to be effective - so swift that trolls go elsewhere and the problem on MN is reduced / contained.

One way to do this is to have lots and lots of moderators, who can react promptly to problems. I don't know how the numbers at MN stack up, though, but on one board I frequent on Reddit they have just recruited an additional 15 volunteer moderators. I'm going to guess that MNHQ does not have that many mods dedicated to eg the SN boards.

Another way is to use a technical solution, such as auto-hiding any post that gets more than X reports (MNHQ don't need to tell us what that magical threshold is, but I'm sure they could work out what it should be based on the data they have on reports). All this means is that it isn't visible to MNers until a mod has been able to review it. If they feel that it breaches talk guidelines it can be zapped; if they are happy that it doesn't then it will be re-instated. So concerns about "ganging up" on an unpopular poster should be allayed, because their post might be hidden for a while but will ultimately be made available again if that is the right thing to do.And this approach benefits all of MN, not just the boards that traditionally suffer the most from the hairy handed invaders

Then there is the underpinning policy of wanting to educate about disabilism, which informs the talk guidelines. I don't think that this is always applied properly. I think it's a laudable aim, but I've reported posts that I think are just goady but been told that it's standing so that the poster can get an education about disabilism. Hmm Frankly, that poster often never returns to the thread, and doesn't give a shit about disabilism, because anyone with half a brain would know before posting that what they were saying was out of order - or they know, but don't care. I'd prefer those posts to be deleted and replaced with a standard message about not tolerating disabilism, what that actually means and a link to more information (the My Child Too campaign?)

JustadaftProfessor · 16/07/2017 15:20

Any of those would be a big improvment Olennas, little changes but big improvments.

OhOhDearling · 16/07/2017 16:53

that's a very thoughtful and helpful post Olenna Flowers

BishopBrennansArse · 16/07/2017 18:12

Well put, olenna.
I'm not opposed to it being quick and easy to sign up for support and advice but what I would like is for those who repeatedly troll on various sign ins to find it significantly harder to just keep generating new accounts.

OlennasWimple · 16/07/2017 21:10

Thanks - I've reported my post to MNHQ in case it helps them think about options

JustadaftProfessor · 17/07/2017 09:05

Am i too hopeful that they've been working behind the scenes?

BishopBrennansArse · 17/07/2017 09:09

Who knows?
Our early morning visitor hasn't shown up this morning which means either they're bored or some kind of action might have happened.

Polter · 17/07/2017 10:14

They've probably run out of alliterative ableist names...

Dawndonnaagain · 17/07/2017 10:24

That's a relief!
Olennas I do think you have some good ideas there.

zzzzz Flowers

JustadaftProfessor · 17/07/2017 11:47

Great.... Until the next one....

JustadaftProfessor · 17/07/2017 11:51

Surely it's not too much to expect some kind of update from MNHQ on this?

enterthedragon · 17/07/2017 13:37

Flowers Flowers Flowers for everyone who are being targeted.

enterthedragon · 17/07/2017 13:38

Is being targeted

JustadaftProfessor · 17/07/2017 15:25

Has anyone had any PM's, it does seem to have stopped today.

WorraLiberty · 17/07/2017 15:50

If anyone has, they'll hopefully keep that information off the thread so as not to feed the troll, and just contact MNHQ about it directly.

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