What actually are your plans to deal with disablism on MN?

[JustAnothersilentorangenugget]

You remember you were going to impliment all kinds of things, Message which explained posts were deleted due to disablism, Emails to the posters, proactive buzzwords...

a year on what has been the result of this massive change in moderation?

Now i'm not suggesting this was a carrot, dangled to try and stop people leaving....
But we donkeys ARE getting a little tired of walking and woudl like to know what plans are there for the future to stop attacks.

It's not about 'having the stomach' it's about believing MNHQ have got our backs when we challenge ableism, it's really that simple.

THIS!

If you actually bother reading and listening to our views THIS is what we are asking, Help us to educate, highlight the biggots generally give a hand to us.
We don't want, and never have wanted every reported post deleted or blanket bans.
What use is banning when you can sign right back up, it's usless?

I feel sad that HQ just thinks posters are aggressive troublemakers demanding their own way (it seems to me).

I know lots of you and you are lovely intelligent compassionate women.

You know how futile it is running around banning HQ, as soon as you ban another account can be instantly created. Wouldn't it be far better to single certain posts out so others know of that posters intentions?

Not onnly is this what we are suggesting, it's also perfectly inline with your "free speach" fetish you have going on.

Work with us!

My only reservation is my local police force. They're utterly incompetent with hate crime.

If someone from a 'better' force complained I would be happy to add my weight to that complaint.

Any kind of protest I would be happy to engage in. I even suggested a sit in outside mnhq to Dawn but that would have too many challenges for us and I should imagine many other members of the disabled community.

I suspect the banning and telling offs just provides wanking material TBH, it's clear these people are getting off on their postings.

wow I am shocked that people are being targetted in this way it an all time low

Bishop you remember a few years back when we were being targeted, the police listened and did not much.
in the endI contacted my MP via email, he then got on to the chief constable....and finally they listened and marked it as a hate crime

Importantly perhaps, we don't have a right to free speech in the UK

Not true. The right to freedom of expression is part of the HRA and it has always been a presumption in E&W law that it is lawful to say anything not expressly forbidden. Nowhere, not even the US, has an unqualified right to free speech - ours is pretty strong.

But I don't think this is primarily an issue of law anyway. It's about the practicality of hosting a wide-ranging internet forum, protecting posters from abuse and - as far as possible - offence but still allowing debate. One of the problems on MN is that trolls and users who enjoy being offensive can comment on any thread, including very sensitive ones. Many other sites have closed forums to get round this problem and give posters a safe place to discuss sensitive topics. Maybe MN needs to consider this?

restricting access to AIBU has also been suggested in the past.

And limiting the ability to post images has also been suggested to stop the troll weho posts graphic violence images.

MN don't want to change a thing, even if it falls well within their "free speech" while at the same time making the site better.

There has been an endless array of suggestions but no feed back from HQ, no answers as to why these could work, no communication at all really other than "BLANKET BANNING DOESN'T WORK", which is rarely even suggested on these threads.

i don't think anything will change.
have you looked at the CG threads,,,shocking and even more so when this is supposed to be a parenting site...
i do like the idea of mn hq hightlighting disablist posts.
the only problem i can see is that the poster who is highlighted will still argue they are right.
(look at mcbride on here)

This has been a significant issue for YEARS, and is only getting worse. Even if MNHQ statistics don't back that up, I'm sure they can agree it's getting no better!
So your stance ISN'T WORKING!!

So what now, Mumsnet?

@Disillusionedone

PMs calling you a cunt are personal attacks rather than "unpleasant opinions"

Absolutely - this isn't at all what we were referring to as 'unpleasant opinions'. This poster was immediately banned.

Some of you are suggesting, though, that if they'd posted similar things as a public post rather than a DM, we should leave it visible but tagged 'disablist'. We just don't think that would be right - it's a PA, and thus breaks our TGs, so it has to go. Apart from the fact that we think many more people would be upset this way, we'd have to apply the same rule across the site, and that just wouldn't be workable. Sorry.

Thing is, free speech isn't unless it's treated with respect. We don't use the 'n' word, despite the fact that it exists because we know it's wrong. If we came across someone using it they would be deleted, but we get to educate when it's retard or fucktard etc. It's nothing to do with my stomach and everything to do with my daughter's ability to move as freely about both the physical and the online world without fear of harassment and vitriol. Nobody, mumsnet is suggesting deletion, but asking for better protection of posters when they're targeted by trolls and of threads under attack by trolls is not unreasonable. Repeatedly stating that you prefer to gently moderate does neither of those things. Kindly read the damned thread properly and get back to us. Thank you.

So what now, Mumsnet?

Didn't you read the Last MNHQ post?

Suck it up and get on with it, Blanket Banning doesn't work!

Even though most of this thread has been about how banning doesn't work.

THANK YOU!!!!

SOME FEEDBACK TO A SUGGESTION!!!

OH MOTHER OF FUCKING GOD!!!!!!

YOU LISTEN TO SOMETHING AND EXPLAINED WHY YOU DON'T THINK IT IS GOOD!!!!

FUCKING HELL!!!

HELL HAS FROZEN OVER!!!!!!!

Right what about Disablist comments which don't fit into PA's?

Last year you were able to have a deletion message on individual posts saying "This comment was disablist". Why was that stopped rather than expanded upon?

You are Able to edit posts with MN comments.

What if you were to put a big bold disclaimer before each of these posts, like the ones you were deleting last year which reads:

"This comment has been highlighted as it uses disablist language / content."

"This comment has been highlighted as it uses disablist language / content. We do not stand for this"

Then message the poster, but leave the reason it was deleted up so all can see what they've done.

Last year you were able to have a deletion message on individual posts saying "This comment was disablist". Why was that stopped rather than expanded upon?

Quite simply, they don't want to.
I'm guessing some sort of statistical research suggests to MN that readership (and hence money) is up when these comments/posts/threats/'opinions' are dealt with a particular way, so unfortunately, that's how they are going to deal with them.

Interestingly 3 posts I've made to this thread aren't showing

Yep, for example "some disabled people are arseholes" then several pages later completely separate post making it clear that it's about me so the original post stays. You act like a cunt - not a PA, allegedly. Most disabled people are scroungers isn't deletable. Some of the things posted about disabled people that are left to stand would be deleted for other protected characteristics.