I am still Spartacus

[OscarDeLaYenta]

Seems timely. Sadly still required.

I am Oscar, and I remain Spartacus. Really cannot be arsed to C&P or restate my position.... I shouldn't need to have to state the need for language to reflect reality in the first place.....

(Belated shout-out to seek for brilliantly using the Spartacus analogy in the first place!)

I'm not a cis. I am Spartacus.

Still Spartacus.

You want to wear a dress? Fine, do it.
You don't want to wear a dress? Fine, don't do it.
You want to wear make-up? Fine, do it.
You don't want to wear make-up? Fine, do it.

I am not cis.
I am a woman.

I am still Spartacus.

Nothing I have read has stopped me being Spartacus.

I am still Spartacus.

Last year my teenage daughter became confused about sex & gender. Some of the things she likes to do are often considered to be "boys things". Because of this she started saying that she was a boy.

She no longer feels this way but could have gone further down the road towards transitioning if she had been encouraged to do so. While transitioning may be appropriate for some people it wouldn't have been for dd.

It is very important that people understand the difference between sex and gender in order to support young people like my daughter.

I'm me and I'm Spartacus.

I'm Errol and still Spartacus.

I don't hate trans people. I hate gender stereotypes.

Cis is a term applicable to stereoisomers not to people.

Still not cis and still Spartacus.

I am Spartacus.

YY Alive. So glad your DD is feeling better now.

MNHQ - why do you count the feelings of parents whose children have transitioned and who may be hurt by hearing biological truths as more important that Alive and her DD? Your position indicates that you agree that transition is a good thing and that this is worthy of greater respect and accommodation. Why is this?

I'm still Spartacus.

I still know for a fact that we humans are a sexually dimorphic species. The female of our species are the ones that can bear young and the male of our species are the ones that can make sperm.

Woman = Adult human female, as can be seen in any dictionary. One cannot be a woman without first being female, and one cannot be female without being of the sex that can make eggs or bear young, again, as can be seen in any dictionary.

Y-chromosome makes one male. With current technology, it is not possible to change XY into XX, which means it is not possible to make a male female, and therefore it is not possible to make a man into a woman. Surgery, artificial hormones, heels, dress, makeup etc only change appearance to a certain extent and do not magick a man into a woman.

I have medical and scientific textbooks, as well as dictionaries on my side. All of what I have said in this post is objective reality. None of what I said in this post is opinion.

I like MN and sincerely hope that I won't be banned for posting objective scientific truths, but if becomes a place where we can't talk about the biological reality of womanhood, then I won't be here for long anyway.

I am Spartacus.

I do not have a 'gender identity' or a ladybrain. There is a current post on the feminism topic where women have taken a gender test. It recognises very few of us as 'gender-conforming'. It labelled me as an androgynous female-to-male crossdresser.

I'm not. I'm an adult human female. I'm a woman. But I'm not cis. That thread is proof that 'cis' is meaningless, except as a slur against women.

There is still no such thing as a female penis. If you have a penis, you are male, no matter what your name is, what you wear or how you act. I support your right to live as you want to, free from violence and harassment, but your rights end where the rights of women and girls begin. You are not entitled to their spaces, their awards, or their scholarships. You are not entitled to have sex with lesbians.

We are not bigots, liars or transphobes for pointing out objective reality.

I am still Spartacus.

There's a link over on the feminism board to the SAGE test which can be used as a diagnostic aid. Attempt at your peril as it left me enraged.

I am still Spartacus

being a woman is a whole lot more than the way a man 'feels'

Not sure if this is relevant on this thread, but I was at a festival on bank holiday monday and a obivously male man came into the ladies toilet area. When he was challanged by a woman by some women as to why he was there he said that he was a woman. And he laughed at everyone

So someone visibly male came in to an area identified as for women, and thought it was funny that it made women uncomfortable enough to challenge him?

Nope, no male entitlement to see here, move along now...

Garlic Spartacus here, too: becoming clearer & louder with every day this madness continues. Males don't get to dictate what women are. Since women are not clothes, shoes, hair & makeup, I can't see what the bloody problem is. Wear it. Be your physically male self, looking pretty.

Challenging patriarchy can be scary, I agree. Regrettably, no-one gets to opt out of patriarchy. You thought you'd escape its wrath by calling yourself a woman? Doesn't work, does it. Stand up for yourselves and each other, pretty male humans. Be proud of who & what you are.

Absolutely. I actually felt violated by it.

Still Spartacus.

Still Spartacus.

Still pissed off at the ridiculous response from MNHQ and their concern for hypothetical parents rather than real women.

Still Spartacus.

Just realised there hasn't been a link to the previous thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/2716595-TransAgenda-BullShit-The-I-am-Spartacus-Thread

Dworking 9-5 but Spartacus 24-7!!!

I'm Spartacus in makeup and a dress, but still Spartacus.

I am AM, and I stopped being a lurker and registered to say that at last I have found a thread that has summed up so beautifully what I have been struggling to put into words for a long time, particularly after caitlyn Jenner won an award from glamour magazine for being woman of the year....Trans people have the absolute right to live in peace and happiness, no surgeon is skilled enough to splice away a y chromosome; no one born as a male child can ever know the steady, grinding experience of navigating this planet as a woman. No trans woman can bleed like me or birth like me....lying to ourselves and each other will only cause more conflict and strife