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I am still Spartacus

186 replies

OscarDeLaYenta · 01/09/2016 19:14

Seems timely. Sadly still required.

I am Oscar, and I remain Spartacus. Really cannot be arsed to C&P or restate my position.... I shouldn't need to have to state the need for language to reflect reality in the first place.....

(Belated shout-out to seek for brilliantly using the Spartacus analogy in the first place!)

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smarterthanhim · 01/09/2016 20:51

Still Sparticus here too. Woman is not a feeling. No one is in the wrong body. Kids should not be sterilised and mutilated because they are not stereotypes. Gender is a construct.

BaronessEllaSaturday · 01/09/2016 20:51

I am Spartacus. I am not cis but I am a woman. I am not cis as I do not accept the gender role assigned to me by my biology.

MrsWooster · 01/09/2016 20:51

I saw this and thought 'what is the point; I said it already?' Then realised that it needs restating until it is understood that this is not anti trans people, it is about the FACT of biology. Gender may be a continuum but sex is not. I am a woman and that is biology and you will NOT take that absolute truth away with a cis or any other 'qualifying' label.

Spartacus · 01/09/2016 20:52

Well, kinda goes without saying really, but I am still Spartacus.

TriniRedVelvet · 01/09/2016 20:53

I remain Spartacus.

weegiemum · 01/09/2016 21:01

Delurking.
Also Spartacus.

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OscarDeLaYenta · 01/09/2016 21:04

Exactly Wooster. Is this partly what MN is hoping - that we'll get worn down with frankly the tedium of having to continually restate the same bloody point, and it will all fizzle out?

No. I'll keep going. If I am banned, so be it. I will not lie in order to 'be nice'.

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Namechangetoavoidlinksearches · 01/09/2016 21:11

I am Spartacus.

I really struggle with stuff like this: m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1825468657682090&id=1810980895797533

Legitimate concerns about minority groups being portrayed by non minorities. Concerns about the murders of trans sex workers. All good discussions to have.

But why frame the issues in such awful terms? Straight men are attracted to trans so they make more popular sex workers? Is that supposed to be a good thing? Why is it the belief that transwomen are men which leads to death rather than general disgusting attitudes towards homosexuality, femininity and prostitutes?

It also smacks of getting hysterical over every issue to the same degree. It actually takes away the impact of the serious issues affecting trans people of every issue makes people cry and directly leads to murder.

That entire Facebook page reads like a bad satire.

StatisticallyChallenged · 01/09/2016 21:14

That other thread has made my really quite grumpy.

I am still StatisticallySpartacus

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OscarDeLaYenta · 01/09/2016 21:19

Paris Lees is a journalist. He has nice hair.
I have seen Danielle Muscato's FB page. He still has his beard.
Alex Drummond in on the board at Stonewall. He uses eyeliner on his eyes.
Anna Lee stood for office at NUS. He did not win and his campaign was not successful.

These sentences are meaningful and communicate reality.

Any wish that these individuals may have for me to incorrectly call them 'she' (and surely this is actually misgendering????) is irrelevant to language use. I mean none of them harm, but I shall not lie. I further intend no distress to MTT who may be reading this, nor to 'the parents of adults who have transitioned or may be transitioning (WTF MNHQ?!?!?) but if distress is felt and feelings are hurt by reading truthful sentences, then the problem is for those who feel hurt to work out how to better manage their feelings, not for those who speak the truth to lie.

People do not have a right not to be hurt by someone accurately describing reality. People do have a right not to have a lie continually inflicted upon them as the New Truth that they must accept and agree with.

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slamdunkthefunk · 01/09/2016 21:21

I'm still Spartacus.
Happy to post on threads like this as many times as it takes to ensure there's always an active thread highlighting what is going on.

Justwanttoweeinpeace · 01/09/2016 21:23

Still Spartacus.

Also C&P'd a few comments from the last thread that I wished I'd been eloquent enough to come up with myself.

'Widen the boundaries of your sex. Do not dictate the norms of mine.

If you feel unsafe in male spaces because you have chosen to have a feminised appearance then that is awful, and wrong, but you need to tackle this by tackling male violence and entitlement, not by displaying that same male violence and entitlement by imposing your male body on my safe space.

Teaching children that there is right and a wrong way to be for their biological sex and that they can "change sex" by taking puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones is wrong. This is the crux for me. We must not encourage children to hate or mutilate their bodies.

Men make the moral code and they expect women to accept it. They have decided that it is entirely right and proper for men to fight for their liberties and their rights, but that it is not right and proper for women to fight for theirs. Emmeline Pankhurst

I am not 'cis'. I will not participate in this newspeak double talk which aims to turf women out of existence. If that makes me a terf, I will accept that label and be proud of it.

I find it despairing how much trans activists could have done for men. Instead of redefining women they could have worked for acceptance of men who are more ' feminine ' and challenged traditionally male behaviours
They could have done so much good.'

WaitrosePigeon · 01/09/2016 21:27

I'm still all woman. I am still Spartacus.

I think HQ are hoping this will just go away and we will get bored.

There are keeping very quiet aren't they...

WaitrosePigeon · 01/09/2016 21:28

Definitely not cunty cis. Fuck cis.

PunkrockerGirl · 01/09/2016 21:28

Sad this is still going on. I am a woman. I've given birth to boys who would never, ever, invade women's spaces.

Sticking on a frock and some badly applied makeup does not make you a woman. You can't give birth, you will never have periods, you can't breastfeed. You don't have to take breaks from your employment to give birth and care of your offspring. So you can fuck right off out of our personal spaces. There is an 'essence' to being a woman which you, as a male, will never achieve. I've been saying this since the 90's and was told then that I was being unfair. I'm so glad it's being addressed now. I am Spartacus.

PoisonWitch · 01/09/2016 21:29

I'm ridiculously pleased people think I'm eloquent for this comment: 'Widen the boundaries of your sex. Do not dictate the norms of mine.

Originally it had a typo which the quoters have helpfully fixed for me Grin

elQuintoConyo · 01/09/2016 21:33

Still elQuintoSpartacusConyo.

Lalsy · 01/09/2016 21:35

Still Spartacus. Sex is still biological fact. Gender is still a social construct that restricts us all, and oppresses women.

RainbowSnowflake · 01/09/2016 21:42

Still Spartacus.

I am no transphobe
I reject the TA misogynistic minority of trans people
I welcome gender critical comment from both sexes
There is no such thing as a female penis
Women should not be handing over our safe spaces to men

Rattledickie · 01/09/2016 21:44

Still Spartacus.... never Cis

WankingMonkey · 01/09/2016 21:45

I am WankingSpartacus.

I still will never bow down to the almighty ladystick.

My son wears sparkly heeled shoes and prances around thinking he is tinkerbell. He is simply being a child. This is entirely normal. This does not mean he is a girl. Meanwhile my daughter plays with wrestling figurines and wears jeans more often than dresses. This is also normal. My children shall not be swapping body parts any time soon. Anyone who suggests such will end up wishing they hadn't, I tell you.

Also as a final note, fuck cis.

Cocoabutton · 01/09/2016 21:48

Spartacus still here too

NormaStanleyFletcher · 01/09/2016 21:49

NormaSpartacusFletcher signing in.

I will treat people with respect.

I wish no harm to anyone whether they be trans or not.

A man cannot become a woman.

A woman cannot become a man.

Women's rights should be preserved, including the right to call ourselves women, to name women's issues as women's issues, and to keep sex segregated spaces.

AwayAwayAway · 01/09/2016 21:52

I am Spartacus. I fully believe that women and women and men are men. Both can have all sorts of interests but one cannot become the other.

I fucking rage every day now that the women's bathroom at work is 'gender-neutral' but not the men's, just the women's bathroom.

VikingLady · 01/09/2016 21:54

I fence sat slightly on the last thread. I was afraid of being swept up in a rush of self-entitled aggrieved "ism" against transgender people. I was worried that I was becoming a bigot, just like the bigots I fight every day (because I'm a woman, I am ASD, have a child with SEN etc).

But reading the rebuttal thread has told me I'm not. And following the poster up-thread:

If you feel unsafe in male spaces because you have chosen to have a feminised appearance then that is awful, and wrong, but you need to tackle this by tackling male violence and entitlement, not by displaying that same male violence and entitlement by imposing your male body on my safe space

I am Spartacus. Too fucking right I am. On my children's behalf.

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