TransAgenda BullShit: The I am Spartacus Thread

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OscarDeLaYenta Thu 25-Aug-16 19:17:39

I am Oscar,
Men cannot become women, ever. Women cannot become men, ever.

Anna Lee is a man. And I shall refer to him as he.
Ada Wells is a man. And I shall refer to him as he.
Paris Lees is a man. And I shall refer to him as he.
Alex Drummond is a man. And I shall refer to him as he.
Danielle Muscato is a man. And I shall refer to him as he.
Buck Angel is a woman. And I shall refer to her as she.

OlennasWimple Thu 25-Aug-16 19:24:10

I am Olenna

A man cannot become a woman, no matter what he does to himself (including medical and surgical procedures he may undergo), and no matter how he chooses to present himself (including his manner of dress, hairstyle, 'mannerisms', name and preferred pronouns).
Equally, a woman cannot become a man, no matter what she does to herself.

I shall not deviate from this position. To do so would be insanity.

I shall conduct myself politely and with the respect that individuals are due simply by virtue of them being human beings.

I deplore the oppression of any individual on the basis of how they present themselves in public or in private. I support the right of adult MTT and FTT to make whatever changes they wish to their bodies and to present themselves however they wish. I oppose any discrimination such individuals may face. MTT and FTT may face particular difficulties, e.g. with regard to accessing appropriate and sensitively delivered healthcare, and I fully support their rights to obtain the services that they require on an equal footing with any other person.

D'ya geddit, MNHQ? I am really not a bigot and am really not a transphobe.

BUT MTT are NOT women. And FTT are NOT men.

If on the basis of this, you wish to ban me, so be it

<shameless C&P from someone else's post on the other thread>

OscarDeLaYenta Thu 25-Aug-16 19:25:00

That was me!

C&P away! grin

GissASquizz Thu 25-Aug-16 19:25:18

What Olenna said.

IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat Thu 25-Aug-16 19:25:25

I Am Spartacus

HermioneWeasley Thu 25-Aug-16 19:25:42

Risking being banned for saying this, but I am Hermione-Spartacus and I don't believe that men can become women or women become men

And I will never say that "Davina" raped a child with "her" penis.

TequilaBlockingBird Thu 25-Aug-16 19:30:52

Me too.

Waltermittythesequel Thu 25-Aug-16 19:34:32

I am Walter.

^A man cannot become a woman, no matter what he does to himself (including medical and surgical procedures he may undergo), and no matter how he chooses to present himself (including his manner of dress, hairstyle, 'mannerisms', name and preferred pronouns).
Equally, a woman cannot become a man, no matter what she does to herself.^

I shall not deviate from this position. To do so would be insanity.

I shall conduct myself politely and with the respect that individuals are due simply by virtue of them being human beings.

I deplore the oppression of any individual on the basis of how they present themselves in public or in private. I support the right of adult MTT and FTT to make whatever changes they wish to their bodies and to present themselves however they wish. I oppose any discrimination such individuals may face. MTT and FTT may face particular difficulties, e.g. with regard to accessing appropriate and sensitively delivered healthcare, and I fully support their rights to obtain the services that they require on an equal footing with any other person.

D'ya geddit, MNHQ? I am really not a bigot and am really not a transphobe.

BUT MTT are NOT women. And FTT are NOT men.

If on the basis of this, you wish to ban me, so be it

CancellyMcChequeface Thu 25-Aug-16 19:34:50

Cosigned.

Ada Wells, Danielle Muscato, Claire Darbyshire, Anna Lee, Stephonknee Wolscht, Paris Lees, and all other autogynephiles and misogynist transactivists are men. There is no such thing as a female penis.

slamdunkthefunk Thu 25-Aug-16 19:35:27

Agree too. What on earth is MN thinking?

OscarDeLaYenta Thu 25-Aug-16 19:38:39

BTW - just reported this to MNHQ as it will be a handy list for them of those they may wish to ban. Saves all the trawling through other threads.

Just call me considerate grin.

Rochefort Thu 25-Aug-16 19:38:56

There is no such thing as a female penis. It does not exist. A person who is in possession of a penis is a male

HermioneWeasley Thu 25-Aug-16 19:40:14

oscar you are on top form today!

emwithme Thu 25-Aug-16 19:42:13

I am Spartacus and so's my wife, except he's a husband

I believe that gender is a bullshit sociological convention which differs in time, space and place, but mainly constructed so that WOMEN, KNOW YOUR PLACE.

I believe that people should refer to sex rather than gender if that's what they mean (sex: Male/Female/Intersex, gender: masculine/feminine/it's all a load of shite, wear what clothes you want as long as you're appropriately covered for the activity you are undertaking)

I truly believe that lesbians are not attracted to penises, even if the person attached to the penis thinks that they should be, and no one should be forced to have sex with a person/penis/not-a-penis that they don't want to. EVER.

OscarDeLaYenta Thu 25-Aug-16 19:43:20

I am seething and probably high as a kite from the effects of too much school holidays grin. I'm quite up for an outlet.

Have been quiet on these issues and on FemChat for too long. But no more I say, no more!!!!

weegiemum Thu 25-Aug-16 19:45:58

I Am Weegiemum

and my dc can understand why, and they're stroppy teens (with gay/lesbian/bisexual friends) so I'm standing up for them too

trying to persuade dd2 (12) that MN might not be the right place for her, but her bf is a gay boy who is actively rejecting trans-speak - at 12!!

SoupDragon Thu 25-Aug-16 19:49:37

Tossers

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs Thu 25-Aug-16 19:51:44

I am Empress.

Everyone has a biological sex and a personality. Gender is nothing but a misogynistic social construct used to perpetuate stereotypes.

As long as nobody else is being harmed, there is no reason at all why women or men shouldn't wear whatever they want, look however they want or have whatever skills, tastes or hobbies they want. I support their right to have all of this without suffering discrimination or abuse.

But this has no bearing at all on whether they are male or female. It's impossible to change sex and it's impossible for a male to be a lesbian.

Tara Hudson, Davina Ayrton, Danielle Muscato, Ada Wells etc are males.

I am Spartacus.

LemonScentedStickyBat Thu 25-Aug-16 19:52:56

I would be very sad to be banned but I think it's important to say what I believe:

I have huge compassion for those people struggling with discordant feelings over their biological sex
I don't think hormones and surgery are automatically the answer for all those people but their feelings should be acknowledged
Sex cannot be changed
There appears to be a loud minority of people assuming anyone who is gender non-conforming must be 'in the wrong body'
I don't think it is possible to be in the 'wrong body' but I understand that accepting your body as it is can be very very tough
Notions of gender could be completely destroyed if everyone would stop buying into them!

WilLiAmHerschel Thu 25-Aug-16 19:54:11

Biological sex exists and it matters.

Gender is an oppressive social construct.

A person is not "assigned" a sex at birth. Their sex is noted on the basis of their genitals. The existence of intersex people does not change biological truth.

Only women can give birth and breastfeed.

sillyoldfool Thu 25-Aug-16 19:54:29

I am silly and I agree. A man cannot become a woman. A woman cannot become a man. Gender is made up bullshit.

Laniakea Thu 25-Aug-16 19:56:24

I am a woman and a feminist and the mother of a lesbian. I believe that gender is a social construct which is harmful to women. I know that sex is a biological truth. It cannot be changed.

I have decided to adopt the position of IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat:

*"For the purposes of MN and on this subject, I will not use (inaccurate)personal pronouns, but will instead refer to the person in the first person. I think that's a reasonable compromise.

I refuse to pander to this illogical nonsense. As an educated, enlightened woman, I am fully prepared to stand up for all human beings and to defend their right to live their life as they choose, free from violence and bullying. But not at the expense of the rights of others. Or rational thought."*

ForeverYazoonique Thu 25-Aug-16 19:56:27

I agree

I am Forever Yazoonique

Men cannot become women, ever. Women cannot become men, ever.

Anna Lee is a man. And I shall refer to him as he.
Ada Wells is a man. And I shall refer to him as he.
Paris Lees is a man. And I shall refer to him as he.
Alex Drummond is a man. And I shall refer to him as he.
Danielle Muscato is a man. And I shall refer to him as he.
Buck Angel is a woman. And I shall refer to her as she.

MrsMargeSimpson Thu 25-Aug-16 19:56:32

Penis = Man

Vagina = Woman

No further words needed.

peachescreatures Thu 25-Aug-16 19:57:14

I am Spartacus.

Women do not have penises.

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