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I Would Like To Propose A Solution To The Trans Threads Problem

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DioneTheDiabolist · 31/08/2016 22:08

Dear MNHQ, I am pissed off with all the Trans threads. I understand that you don't wish to stifle debate/free speech and all that shit, so I propose 4 threads where all trans posts can be hidden go.

A Fuck Trans thread. For posters who hate that people are trans.
A Yay Trans thread. For posters who wish to support trans people.
A Trans Bunfight Club thread. For posters on the other two threads who want to have a bit of a ruck.
And a What MNHQ Have To Say About Trans Threads thread. For, well I think you get my drift.

All other trans posts on the site can be deleted, no other threads can be started and I can enjoy the site more.

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IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 04/09/2016 11:05

Good post smashing

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 04/09/2016 11:06

I've just posted on another thread that as a lifelong ally to lesbians it was becoming aware of the horrifying way men were using trans status to bully and coerce them into sex that crystallized my opposition to the TA agenda.

The cotton ceiling scandal kicked off in 2012, and I already had misgivings then, partly due to personal experience. Now, as the movement and its adherents have snowballed, I see TA as the most serious attack on women's rights in a 100 years.

LumpySpacedPrincess · 04/09/2016 12:18

Lesbions were front and centre of all womens rights movements, now it's our turn to give a shiney shit, even if it doesn't directly affect us, yet.

The language that I hear being used by educators convinces me that this will become an issue for people as their children become swept up in this movement.

SmashingTurnips · 04/09/2016 12:24

Yes the bullying and coercing to have sex is terrible.

When I talk about the harm to lesbians I'm also talking about the pressure to transition. Nearly all the older lesbians I know say that they would have been vulnerable to that if the trans movement had been as big when they were young as it is now. Young lesbians are being told that they are men and encouraged to have body parts removed and take body changing hormones with questionable safety records. Lesbians are being erased by all this neoliberal gender crap. I care about that. The stories of women who have gone on to detransition are so sad. I think this phenomenon is more widespread in the US and I sincerely hope that it doesn't get a foothold in the UK. The only way to stop it (and the transing of children) though is for people to speak out. And by people I mean women - I think it is women who will stop the madness.

HexBramble · 04/09/2016 12:37

I've read much of this issue on the threads about Ade/Nate and all that they had to say, much of it hateful - that is what I'm wary of but is he really representative of all TA's? Is his views on Lesbians mainstream?

Felascloak · 04/09/2016 14:30

you don't have to read this thread you know but if you don't agree you must be a bit thick/selfish/deluded/a man/a handmaiden' attitude that those threads are all about, it's swiftly moved to feminism chat..
That's just utter bollocks. I'm fed up of 1) feminists being made out to be bigots for question things that may damage women's rights 2) that we call people handmaiden routinely 3) that the feminist board is an echo chamber where we retreat to pat each other on the back. Total hogwash. I've seen threads move from FWR to chat (including the Ada Wells stuff that started this whole thing) but very rare it's the other way round.
Stop trying to blinker people to what's going on by pretending it's all down to feminists.

Felascloak · 04/09/2016 14:31

hex I am not a lesbian but I believe it is a mainstream view that is putting lesbians off going to lesbian nights and joining dating apps.

StatisticallyChallenged · 04/09/2016 14:33

It seems to be fairly common unfortunately, but part of the issue is that Ada was also in a specific LGBT representation role and was allowed to behave that way and behave abusively to lesbian woman and this went unchallenged by Edinburgh Uni (until they tweeted about police, actually)

Comejointhemurder · 04/09/2016 14:38

Fela - I'm talking about the trans threads, not feminism or feminism threads in general.

And if you read those threads you'll find examples of all of that - including the whole of MNHQ being accused of being handmaidens on the 'thoughts on MN response to the spartacus thread'.

venusinscorpio · 04/09/2016 14:42

And? It's just as antagonistic to go around shrieking "transphobic" at people who are concerned about the creeping erosion of women's rights.

Comejointhemurder · 04/09/2016 14:48

I haven't called anyone transphobic and I certainly am not shrieking. And I do care about the erosion of women's rights but I'm one of the people who's been alienated by the aggression and accusations levied towards anyone who does not align themselves to exactly what the louder voices on MN are saying about this issue.

venusinscorpio · 04/09/2016 14:51

Obviously people feel passionate about these issues and concerns. It doesn't change the actual issues whether or not you personally feel "alienated".

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DioneTheDiabolist · 04/09/2016 15:23

I am not in a state of existententialist paralysis because people dicking about on the net disagree with other people dicking about on the net about the definition of woman. I am not shocked or fearful that teenagers are having "deep and meaningful" thoughts and conversations about their identity. It worries me not a jot that people are discussing what to do about people who just aren't that into them.

That some people love to navel gaze, be shocked and appalled at the actions of the next generation and moan about why others don't like them is not new. And is of little interest to me.

Those of you having conversations elsewhere on the web, would you please pass the details to Hex. Thanks.Thanks

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Felascloak · 04/09/2016 15:25

come I've been reading that thread and also just advanced search but can't see anyone calling MNHQ hand maidens Hmm

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 04/09/2016 15:39

dione

Dont agree with what you are saying but i did like

Those of you having conversations elsewhere on the web, would you please pass the details to Hex. Thanks.

Completely pointless post of mine, but it did make me snigger

IPityThePontipines · 04/09/2016 16:23

venus "shrieking". Really? Women who express an opposing view are "shrieking"?

felasclock - The handmaidens, is what we were called on a radfem reddit. Apparently all of MN has been taken over by TA's and their handmaidens.

But, if you look up handmaiden as one word, you'll find it in use a lot on MN.

WankingMonkey · 04/09/2016 16:32

Trans stuff is like Christmas.
There's a whole topic for it so people can avoid but some fucker will still put it in chat so hey ho what to do.

There is a whole topic for most things though I think? Do people get annoyed if someone posts about breastfeeding in chat, about SEN, about illness, about gardening, etc etc? If not, then why are only people who post about christmas (or in this case trans issues) 'fuckers'?

I genuinely do not understand the issue. There have been a few threads on transpeople yes. I do not know anything about this 'makeup' thread that people are talking about and can't find it. The thread about the vulva necklace had ONE post that mentioned trans in 5 pages, yet this is a big issue apparently?

I find most wedding threads boring, child support issues don't affect me, breastfeeding threads upset me in a way as I was unsuccessful doing it, MIL threads are just bloody irritating most of the time...but I don't psis and moan on about them and say they should all be put in their ow sections. Nor moan about a wedding thread popping up on AIBU or chat..if noone could discuss issues that have their own section, what exactly would chat and AIBU contain..I wonder?

Comejointhemurder · 04/09/2016 16:34

Sorry felas - Ipity is right, it was the Reddit thread specifically mentioning MNHQ. I've become confused with so many different threads.

There's a post on the 'This is bullshit' thread as well - something along the lines of 'I'm sure one of the MN handmaidens will report this thread and get it deleted'. I know I've seen handmaiden in relation to trans threads elsewhere too but I specifically remember that post as the NN relates to something I love and I was irrationally disappointed it was associated with a post like that Smile

SmashingTurnips · 04/09/2016 16:36

OK OP, so you aren't interested in this particular aspect of women's rights. Fair enough. You think that women exchanging with each other on this particular aspect of their rights is "dicking about on the internet". Fine, whatever, bully for you.

There are plenty of MNers and other women who feel the same as you.

I'm not going to patronize you by suggesting that you don't get the issues or that you are ignorant of them or anything else. I take you at your word that you just don't give a shit about them. That you don't give a shit about groups of men openly discussing how to make lesbians have sex with them on social media. I totally believe you OP - you couldn't give a shiny one.

We heard you.

Lots of us do give a shit though and I don't see why that bothers you. I thought you didn't care?!

Your OP and the thread titles you suggest are not very nice and pretty patronizing and insulting towards other women on this forum. The suggestion that there needs to be a thread for posters who hate transpeople is offensive. I'm kinda surprised that MNHQ have let it stand actually - it is hardly in the ethos of the site. Perhaps nobody cares enough to report it though.

SmashingTurnips · 04/09/2016 16:42

Sorry, just reread the OP and the suggestion is for a thread for people who hate that people are trans. It is just as offensive and reductive though - calling us haters but in a sly way that probably just scrapes the bar of what is considered acceptable in the talk guidelines.

venusinscorpio · 04/09/2016 16:53

Women who express an opposing view are "shrieking"?

It was in response to someone saying how dreadfully terrible it was that people were being called "handmaidens"'. My point was that it's just as offensive to call someone "transphobic" for believing that trans women are men. Both are personal judgements on others. And I do think people often have a rather silly idea of what should constitute "transphobia", hence my use of the word "shrieking". It's meant to convey my contempt for these views.That's my opinion, like you have a different one.

venusinscorpio · 04/09/2016 16:54

It is just as offensive and reductive though - calling us haters but in a sly way that probably just scrapes the bar of what is considered acceptable in the talk guidelines.

Exactly.

IPityThePontipines · 04/09/2016 16:55

"That you don't give a shit about groups of men openly discussing how to make lesbians have sex with them on social media."

Where is this happening?

Don't say Cotton Ceiling. Cotton Ceiling was a meeting four years ago which 7, yes 7, transwomen attended.

venusinscorpio · 04/09/2016 17:04

IPity, it's not just about what one-off workshop led to the phrase "cotton ceiling", as you would know if you bothered to do a 5 second google. Plenty of trans bloggers and trans allies agree with the logic and concept, and Paris Lees thinks it is "a cheeky play on words". Rather than the obvious homophobic misogyny it is.

WankingMonkey · 04/09/2016 17:06

Also on the 'this will never affect you' thing...FGM will likely never affect me or anyone I know given I was lucky enough to be born in England rather than the middle east where its common. A bloke in a womens changing room wouldn't bother me personally, but this is because so far, I have had no bad experiences with men (rape, violence etc) and so on. Doesn't mean I don't give a shit about the people it would affect though.

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