I Would Like To Propose A Solution To The Trans Threads Problem

[DioneTheDiabolist]

Dear MNHQ, I am pissed off with all the Trans threads. I understand that you don't wish to stifle debate/free speech and all that shit, so I propose 4 threads where all trans posts can be hidden go.

A Fuck Trans thread. For posters who hate that people are trans.
A Yay Trans thread. For posters who wish to support trans people.
A Trans Bunfight Club thread. For posters on the other two threads who want to have a bit of a ruck.
And a What MNHQ Have To Say About Trans Threads thread. For, well I think you get my drift.

All other trans posts on the site can be deleted, no other threads can be started and I can enjoy the site more.

is the one who replied to my post and then said has "zero interest" in talking to me

Given our years of 'debate', I am sure you can understand why I have absolutely no interest in talking to you about trans issues. There are other areas where it's fine - but this is one area where I don't think it's particularly odd not to want to talk to you.

OK whatever. Don't want to talk, don't reply to my posts. Bye and have a nice day.

Ego seems to be one of very few transwomen prepared to come back and discuss trans topics again and again. Maybe she gets in the way of the awareness raising efforts.

Bye Cote.

don't reply to my posts

I'll only reply to your posts if you decide to mention me by name and say something about me. So that's not too difficult a thing not to do

Anyway - it seems that there's not going to be a trans section so I'm guessing the trans threads will go on Chat (but vanish), AIBU or FWR - that's often hidden or elsewhere.

Judy, then give some suggestions please instead of merely commenting idly on something I said.

I've been a MN'er for nearly 8 years with various name-changes and I trust in many regular posters' viewpoints and opinions. I have learnt an awful lot from MN'ers so I have come to see certain MN'ers as real sources of info and actual inspiration. I s'pose I meant earlier that I trust in these message boards because I'm familiar in them.

HexBramble, you are the one who has said that MN is the only safe place where you can get a feminist perspective on this. There are feminist websites all over the place, in many of which trans issues are discussed. I struggle to understand why you can't find them, or, if you can, what is "unsafe" about them. As I don't know exactly what you're looking for, there's not much point in making suggestions - and frankly I don't think you are entitled to demand that other posters do the work for you.

Hex, this is an internet forum. Not everyone on the net is who they claim to be nor are they always telling the truth or being factually correct. I too have found MN a source of information and inspiration, but I do not blindly accept that what is written here as being true because I like the person who wrote it.

Thirding the being careful who you trust.

When I joined MN, there were loads of threads about the MMR (that's why there's a vaccination section).

Lots of posters, some very well known on here, were defending Andrew Wakefield and harshly dismissing anyone who dared criticise his work. So lots of people went along with those posters, because they were well known so on.

None of that changed the fact that Andrew Wakefield's work was massively flawed and has caused substantial damage to herd immunity in the UK and beyond.

So be careful and take care to Google some of the wilder claims made on here...

I don't feel safe discussing it under my real name. Seen folk being insulted, threatened, people being targeted and had their bosses harrassed with demands for the person the be sacked etc. I'd be frightened of a possible backlash.

Are the women who think this issue is not affecting their lives happy with being called 'menstruators'?
Because that is what the influential US organisation Planned Parenthood is calling people affected by the tampon tax.

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gah pressed post too soon sorry...

this jarring & reductive language is a direct result of needing to be inclusive of the trans community.

Dione

Given that we're all of us just "dicking about on the Internet" it's interesting that you started such a pompously self-righteous thread. I hope you got what you wanted from it.

Venus, I don't think you've read the opening post properly if you think it's pompous. Bambambini, it's very easy to avoid giving your real name in internet discussion forums. And no, I'm not worried that anyone is ever going to call me a "menstruator".

Judge, Planned Parenthood has no impact on my happiness at all. Like, none whatsoever. I gave your post thought. I even looked up Planned Parenthood. They seem like a really good organisation. But I still don't give a shit about them using the word "menstruators".

Venus, what is it that you found "interesting" about me starting this thread?

for thinking it's interesting.

Dione sources of info that I then go on to research for myself. MN is a good starting point for me - of course you cannot trust everything that's you read here, that's a given.

Judy no demanding from me.

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You know. This whole trans debate probably won't affect me personally.

I haven't been raped or abused so i can probably deal with males or transwomen in the loo or changing room - if i was alone that might be different though and i'm fairly strong and physically confident.

I'm older and cynical so less open to peer pressure and trends like our kids can be.

i am not girl or young woman competeing at higher level sports.

I have only sons (though assuming that of course) so they wont be that affected anyway unlike girls might be.

I do think this is becoming quite big with school kids though. I have a friend going through it an older teenage child and it is really fucked up. So much peer pressure, internet pressure, totally surrounding themselves in a trans/gender non conforming bubble. Not exaggerating to say it's like being sucked into a cult - in her child's case anyway. Child now talking about hormones and possible surgery. My friend is 100 % sure her child is not trans - just caught up in it by the people she surrounds herself with.

It's kind of ironic that a current thread that was in AIBU discussing 'trans issues' just got moved to FWR when the thread became a proper debate with a range of views instead of an echo chamber of responses.

How can any topic affect women more than the actual definition of women?

Breastfeeding rights at work? Not an issue if men can breastfeed is it? No sex discrimination.

Women in STEM? Not a problem if you just hire transwomen who had the benefit of male privilege in school and being praised for doing well in maths. and bonus they can't get just go and get pregnant like the gross breeding people.

6 foot 4 man in a woman's changing room making me feel mighty uncomfortable. Well they could call themselves Candi so I best not risk committing a hate crime and saying 'no men allowed' or asking management to get rid of Candi.

Agree EGO. Lots of talk on this thread about how it's important to be 'raising awareness' but on that thread when responders don't agree that the sky is falling in and the OP isn't getting back up with the 'you don't have to read this thread you know but if you don't agree you must be a bit thick/selfish/deluded/a man/a handmaiden' attitude that those threads are all about, it's swiftly moved to feminism chat..

I do think this is becoming quite big with school kids though. I have a friend going through it an older teenage child and it is really fucked up. So much peer pressure, internet pressure, totally surrounding themselves in a trans/gender non conforming bubble. Not exaggerating to say it's like being sucked into a cult - in her child's case anyway. Child now talking about hormones and possible surgery. My friend is 100 % sure her child is not trans - just caught up in it by the people she surrounds herself with.
This is the problem for me. Poor kids.

6 foot 4 man in a woman's changing room making me feel mighty uncomfortable.

How often has that actually happened to you, MyCat? It's never happened to me, nor has anyone I know ever complained of it happening to them. I'm sure that I have often shared a Ladies' with a trans woman but it's never impinged on me one iota.

I get not giving "a shiny shite" about things that don't directly affect you in your day to day life. We are all selfish about loads of issues that impact on others but that we are lucky enough not to have to concern ourselves with. Not the most likeable of attitudes but definitely very common. That to me is what this thread is about.

I was recently on a thread on a different discussion website on which straight women were being given a bit if a hard time for not caring about transgenderism. The lesbian women there were pretty upset with the lack of interest from straight women in the damage that is being done to lesbian spaces, culture and lesbians themselves by the trans movement.

They were pretty upset that straight women don't seem to give a shit that their lesbian sisters are the ones currently being targeted with a lot of trans aggression and appropriation.

One of these women said that straight women would start to care when the trans movement started to impact on their children. I think that is probably true.

I wanted to post a defense of straight women's apathy/lack of interest/lack of awareness but I didn't really have a leg to stand on so had no material with which to write my post.

Women's rights owes so much to lesbianism and lesbian feminism - IMO it's pretty shitty to not care about lesbians being thrown under the trans bus. The trans movement is deeply lesbophobic (and homophobic). I don't want a trans topic for this reason. For me what gets called "trans" threads are not trans threads they are "women" threads and as such belong on the main boards of a female dominated discussion forum.

On a different note, I suspect the creation of a trans subject would open MN up to being attractive to TRAs so I would be careful what you wish for. In the eyes of a lot of people, great swathes of MN, its threads and its posters are transphobic (I'm talking about stuff like childbirth, menopause, female biology stuff). If I were MNHQ the last thing I would want to do is raise my head above the radar by creating a trans topic. Our reputation for being a load of mummies wittering on about mummy stuff is useful.