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TransAgenda BullShit: The I am Spartacus Thread

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OscarDeLaYenta · 25/08/2016 19:17

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StephanieDA · 27/08/2016 10:40

I am Spartacus
It's well known that the most common reason for men to transition is autogynephilia, this is just fact. Autogynephilia is unheard of in women so we're being asked to believe that an exclusively male characteristic is what makes these men women (I think that's called irony, sometimes it even makes me laugh)
www.annelawrence.com/autogynephilia,_a_paraphilic_model_of_GID.pdf
Nobody here has made any judgment about autogynephilic transsexuals, deleting those comments seems a bit autogynephobic to me, blatant erasure.
If it's something we're not allowed to talk about I'd like to know why.
I am still Spartacus

MaddyHatter · 27/08/2016 10:44

I am MaddyHatter.

I will support your right to present and be called whatever you wish.
I will never misgender you.
I will use your preferred pronoun
I will support your right to surgery, hormone therapy and happiness, if that's what transitioning will bring you.

However.
A transwoman is not a Woman, they are a Transwoman.
A Transman is not a Man, they are a Transman

I am not Cis. I am a Woman.

Women are already second class, i will not stand by while we get pushed into Third.

Women cannot have a penis
A Lesbian with a Penis is not a woman, they are a Man, at a push, a Transsexual.

The rest i'm still working out.

I am Spartacus.

NormaStanleyFletcher · 27/08/2016 10:49

I'm with Stephanie.

Why the fuck are we not allowed to talk about autogynephilia?

If that is why those posts were deleted (and I can't see anything that is a personal attack or offensive in them), then I think we deserve to know.

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 27/08/2016 10:51

I've screenshot red Stephanie's post. Just in case it disappears.

NormaStanleyFletcher · 27/08/2016 10:54

Good good Empress

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 27/08/2016 10:56

I think the posts that were deleted could be read as implying that all transwomen are autogynephiles. I very much hope MNHQ isn't saying we can't discuss it at all, given that plenty of transwomen are completely open about it - that would be daft.

Bigoldsupermoon0 · 27/08/2016 10:58

Autogynephilia is a real thing. It's a sexual fetish. It's a huge threat to women, particularly now as transactivists push for access to our:

  • changing rooms
  • shower rooms
  • women's shelters
  • toilets

and insist that we:

  • capitulate to ever-increasing demands for 'inclusion'
  • refer to them as women, erasing the reality of sexist oppression
  • position ourselves as 'cis' oppressors

Male violence is a real thing, and women are being forced to participate in this porn-driven fetish. There is no evidence to suggest that men who "identify as women" are less likely to commit violence against women.

Autogynephilia needs talking about.

AskBasil · 27/08/2016 10:59

There's actually nothing wrong with autogynephilia as a thing; if there were more publicity about it, more men would recognise that that is what they have and they would not have to try and do the mental contortions required by transideology. They could just be out and proud autogynephiles and we could all celebrate their sexuality and honesty and they could have a float at LGBT pride.

Bigoldsupermoon0 · 27/08/2016 11:02

Anyway, sorry for derailing. I am 100% Spartacus.

0dfod · 27/08/2016 11:05

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GinAndTunic · 27/08/2016 11:09

BigOldMoon, that was a great post.

jovanke · 27/08/2016 11:15

'There's actually nothing wrong with autogynephilia'
There is when it's part of a sexual rights movement of powerful men in IT/government/law etc aimed at deconstructing language, erasing women's experience and replacing female reality with male fantasy. Women would do well to be vigilant and watch the policies pushed by these individuals.

Oh, and I am spartacus.

venusinscorpio · 27/08/2016 11:18

Yes, AskBasil. It's basically just another kink. They could celebrate it. But they wouldn't get privileged access to women in intimate situations.

againstvaw · 27/08/2016 11:26

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 27/08/2016 12:58

I am Lumpy and I am Spartacus.

The brave new world we are entering is one where crimes committed by men are reported as crimes committed by women.

Mens achievements will be reported as women's achievements.

There will be no gender pay gap, all will be equal except but lots of the women will be men.

Children have to choose a gender team and there will be no jumping ship.

I weep when I think how this could be used to break down gender roles instead of enforcing them and breaking into female safe spaces.

Transwomen are men and transmen are women, though I have always used the terms that individuals choose as I am a kind person.

PurpleHaze1 · 27/08/2016 13:11

I am Purple

So many posts have already said what I think far more articulately than I could so all I have to adds is...

I am Spartacus.

arahia · 27/08/2016 13:18

I'm Arahia

I've been reading both of the "this is bullshit" threads and came across this link in the second one:

terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/

those tweets really shook me. I'm a straight woman and can't say I've heard about cotton ceiling until reading about it on those threads and on Reddit (r/GenderCritical/)

I am Spartacus.

macaronigonzalez · 27/08/2016 13:21

Delurking to take a stand. I am Spartacus.

A man cannot become a woman. Penis is not female. The emperor has no clothes.

HermioneWeasley · 27/08/2016 13:51

vaw every story I've ever heard a parent of a "trans" child tell is rooted in gender stereotypes and homophobia. There was one guy who used his son's love of soccer as evidence that he was truly a girl, because in the US, soccer is more popular with women.

It would be funny if it wasn't so damaging

venusinscorpio · 27/08/2016 14:16

How ridiculous Hermione. I wonder what they'd make of the average football fan here!

LumpySpacedPrincess · 27/08/2016 14:19

I read that one Hermione, he loved soccer so must be a girl and the same reason was used this side of the pond to state that she was actually a he, crazy! You just had two kids who liked a game.

HermioneWeasley · 27/08/2016 14:23

Sorry, I've started discussing and this should just be a "standing in solidarity" check in. I'll bugger off to another thread

AGuyCalledHelen · 27/08/2016 14:25

As a member of the trans community I want to reiterate that autogynephilia is still the elephant in the room.

It's poorly misunderstood, often misrepresented and is a valid topic for discussion. I don't particularly have the energy to discuss it TBH. But it should be allowed.

Still Spartacus.

OfCrayonBorn · 27/08/2016 14:31

MNHQ is deleting comments about autogynephilia and transing children. So there must be a policy, a criteria, a list of unsayable things. Tell us what they are, MNHQ

I'm Spartacus

Resideria · 27/08/2016 14:34

XX (and XXX, X0) = female;
XY (and XYY, XXY) = male.

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