TransAgenda BullShit: The I am Spartacus Thread

[OscarDeLaYenta]

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I'm EElisaveta, and I'm Spartacus. Gender is bullshit.

I am Spartacus.

I do not believe that men who wish to present themselves as women are women. I do not believe that they have a special insight into what it means to be a woman. I do not believe that they can ever understand what it means to be a woman.

I believe that feeling unsure and unsettled about your physical attributes is a common part of growing up and transitioning with hormones and surgery is dangerous. I believe there is a cult of trans celebration and identification that is seductive beyond words to vulnerable teens. I believe that a proportion of (usually male) trans activists are motivated by a desire for attention and validation, and that they enjoy silencing women who disagree with their assertion of what it means to be a woman.

I have sympathy for people struggling with gender issues and self loathing. I do not believe they are helped by trans activism.

I am Spartacus.

This is my first ever posting on Mumsnet; I've lurked for many months now and have found the discussions on gender critical thinking here informative beyond belief.

I know that sex is a biological fact.

I know that gender is a social construct which harms everyone, but women more than it harms men.

I don't care much about pronouns, unless they are being used to harm me or someone else; but calling a male that rapes "she" DOES do harm.

It breaks my heart that children and teenagers that feel out of step are being told that what they really want is a lifetime of surgery and medication. It makes me so angry too.

And, anyone that thinks anyone else owes them sex is a rapist, or wants to be.

I am Spartacus.

Excellent first post TheMostBeautiful

I am Sparticus.

This thread has given me hope that the Orwellian bullshit that is the TA agenda will finally start to be challenged. I am far from a bigot and find it outrageous that stating biological fact is called transphobic. I believe that people should have the right to dress how they want, be free from hatred and live their lives.

People with penises are men.
People with a vagina are women.

I would hate to be banned, I love MN, it has helped me a lot, but I will not be silenced. I will not stand by and watch Womens progress be eliminated by vile, misogynistic bullies.

Be who you will, make your own mark on the world, love the person you want and be loved.

Challenge gender stereotypes. Please. Like many of us do every day - so our children don't grow up thinking glitter and pink and emotions are for girls, and trains and science and hard stuff are just for boys. Stuff we tell our children - male and female - every day in words and actions so they grow up being their true selves, not forced into clothes/actions/thoughts that limit them.

But tell me I'm a ciswoman? Crap. In just more than living memory, British women were disenfranchised - and now we still get paid less than equivalents with penises. So no thanks. I will support you to live how you want to, with kindness and an enquiring mind. But I will not have my experience marginalised some more.

Gender is a load of made up bullshit.

I am KickAss.

I am Bad. (Lurker who has signed up to write this; I've learnt a lot from Mumsnet about trans ideology.)

Gender is a bullshit social construct that forces women to behave in particular ways that subvert them as inferior.

I fully support men who like to be feminine dressing how they please. But that's all they are. Feminine. They are not women.

I saw a young transwoman, probably a uni student, on the bus yesterday. I thought good on this person. I watched out of the corner of my eye as this person tipped this person's head on the side in a feminine way and pursed lips in a stereotypical feminine way. This person swished this person's hair in the way that the alpha girls used to do at my school.

I couldn't relate to it personally; although I am a woman I always wear trousers, I neglect my hair (messy bun), never wear make up, do DIY and am interested in political issues.

So although I wish this brave person the best in their choices, I hope they don't see themselves as a woman. Just feminine, and should be proud/happy to be that.

I remember when Greer was accused of "reducing women to their vaginas" in her critique of trans ideology. This was seen as a shocking thing. But I think it's the heart of the matter. That is all 'women' are. People with vaginas. Not men who simper or wear dresses or tip their head on the side and talk in a soft voice. Because I don't do any of those things. And I am incontrovertibly a woman.

I am Spartacus.

I am OrangeNoodle.

Thanks to MNers who are more informed than me I now know about the threat to women that the trans activist movement poses.

I am a mother to a young daughter and this stuff matters. I do not want her to have to contend with penises in women's changing rooms, competing directly with men who call themselves women or being minimised and threatened through terms like 'cis' and 'cotton ceiling'.

Until this morning I probably wouldn't have openly called myself a feminist. But now? You bet I am.

I am OrangeNoodle. I am Spartacus.

I am Spartacus and you've all said it brilliantly already. I AGREE.

I am Stardustlady.

Men cannot become women.

Women do not have penises.

Men cannot menstruate or give birth.

All humans are deserving of respect and the right to live their lives free of discrimination or harassment.

But men cannot become women.

I am Stardustlady and I am Spartacus. And I have had enough of pandering and colluding with this deluded insanity. Enough.

I liked "If you feel unsafe in male spaces because you have chosen to have a feminised appearance then that is awful, and wrong, but you need to tackle this by tackling male violence and entitlement, not by displaying that same male violence and entitlement by imposing your male body on my safe space."

Sometimes I think that I'm completely out of step with the modern world and I worry that I'm a "bigoted dinosaur" (Am I a bigotosaurus?) because I truly think that men who are born men are male and women who are born women are female and that's the end of that. I have trans friends. I call them by their preferred pronoun - not a biggie. I will stand by them as they fight for a fairer society that stops all of this gender bullshit.

I WILL NOT STAND BY WHILE FEMINISM IS TAKEN OVER BY MEN WITH BEARDS WHO CALL THEMSELVES DANIELLE AND HAVE A PENIS.

I WILL NOT STAND BY HOMOPHOBIC MEN WHO WANT LESBIANS TO FEEL BAD FOR NOT WANTING TO BE FUCKED WITH A PENIS

I WILL NOT STAND BY MEN WHO WANT TO MANSPLAIN WHAT BEING A WOMAN IS WHILE HAVING A PENIS AND BEING MALE.

I WILL NOT STAND BY CAITLYN JENNER BEING WOMAN OF THE YEAR.

I WILL NOT STAND BY VIOLENT MEN BEING PLACED IN FEMALE JAILS.

I WILL NOT STAND BY MEN WHO WANT TO ERASE BREASTFEEDING, CHILDBIRTH, MENSTRUATION, WOMBS, OVARIES AND MENOPAUSE AS FEMALE EXPERIENCES.

FUCK. THAT. NOISE.

I have always been against a 'like' button on MN.

I wish we had one just for the posts on this thread though.

MNers, you rock.

But MN deleted the comment about the masculine men with autogynephilia who just want to wear dresses. And even more ironically they then deleted Helen, who is transsexual, agreeing with it underneath.

Were you accusing Helen of transphobia, HQ?

I have taken my time and not all opinions are fully formed.

Biology is FACT.

Gender has become a construct.

To apply lables causes othering.

Safe places are important.

I am aaahhhBump. I am woman. I have bled, cried over spilt breastmilk and refused to conform to gender stereotypes.

I have lurked for more than a year and I am de lurking to join this thread and ask that Mumsnet wakes up and smells the coffee.
I am 9years and I am Spartacus /what Stardustlady said and everyone else

So we're not allowed to discuss autogynaephilia now?

That's problematic, because that's one of the aspects I suspect most of us find most worrying

I don't think, in reality, that we really know enough about the root cause of trans identities and it concerns me that we willingly tackle it with such invasive surgery without that understanding.

There are a lot of different narratives around how trans people feel. In the earlier days this tended to centre around the born in the wrong body narrative which I will admit doesn't make sense to me personally because I don't believe in souls or spirits so I don't think you exist independent of your body. But I do accept that there are individuals who feel that way but I feel like it probably comes from a similar place to body dysmorphia type issues : yet, we don't tell people who believe they have an extra limb that they're right and remove it surgically, nor do we agree with anorexic people that they are fat and perform liposuction or gastric bypasses on them. I hope one day that we do find the root cause of this, I suspect it will be found to be an imbalance in the brain of some variety rather like many mental health conditions.

But there are also a lot of other issues now sitting under the trans umbrella, people who don't really fit the wrong body narrative. That includes people struggling with their sexuality, people who don't identify with the expectations of gender and so feel they must be trans, autogynephalic men, people who would previously have been cross dressers, and a number of attention seekers and misogynistic men who probably don't have identity issues at all.

Trying to find a single approach which is appropriate to all of these groups is a big part of the problem. Many people think only of the first when they think of trans issues and so understandably feel great sympathy and don't feel threatened, but aren't aware of the other groups which range from utterly harmless and gender stereotype challenging through to downright threatening to women.

Crap meant to put that on the discussion thread sorry

I am Spartacus. I fully respect every individual's right to dress and live they want to but not at the cost of hard won and much needed rights to another minority group. This is a complicated issue that is only seeing shallow and reactionary decision making by policy makers in the UK. We need informed, non hysterical discussion of these issues and how we can resolve them. Censorship of concerned voices because the powers that be don't want to tackle a difficult issue is totally unacceptable.

I'm a prawn of the patriarchy, but not a pawn. Thought of so many things to write, copied so many brilliant posts thinking "Oh, I'll me too this one" and then I'd come across another one.

So I'll just say that I too am Spartacus. Penis = male, vagina/vulva = female. I am a woman, I've given birth, I've breastfed. My kids' father was a man. Like so many, I was radicalised by motherhood.

If we can't say that Danielle Muscato is a man things are bad enough. But what's even more important is that when we cannot name ourselves - then we're in some dark dystopia.

The cotton ceiling made me quite nauseous. I was proud to chant along with Magdalen Bern that "there is no such thing as a lesbian with a penis" - and there isn't. So ban us all if speaking truth is transphobic.

I'm Spartacus.

If there's a to-be-banned list, add me to it.

Anyway, Spartacus wore a little dress thing, didn't she/he/they? Clearly a woman.

Or, a nice easy-to-understand example of gender being an entirely social construct, which currently seems to be becoming more and more tightly defined.

Biological sex is real. Gender roles are used to oppress people - mostly women, but men suffer too. However, that's not my fucking problem to solve.

As someone said above:
When we segregate by sex it is your genitals which make the difference, not your identity. If you feel unsafe in male spaces because you have chosen to have a feminised appearance then that is awful, and wrong, but you need to tackle this by tackling male violence and entitlement, not by displaying that same male violence and entitlement by imposing your male body on my safe space.

I'll call people whatever they want, and I try not to make assumptions based on appearance, and I won't be nosy. But I cannot be doing with it always being women who are expected to adjust their lives for men. Fuck the patriarchy.

I am Spartacus .... And I an bitterly disappointed in a parenting forum who are dragging us down a dark road.

I am Spartacus because I don't want to see conception threads shut down on a parenting site out of sensitivity to biological males who can have children but cannot birth children.

I've been trying to remember the password of my post Jeffrey email account so I can reset my MN password in order to add my name to this thread.

Discrimination happens to women every day because of their biological sex. Sex is not the same as gender. We must be able to accurately describe that in order to fight discrimination. A transwoman CEO should not be celebrated as an example of a woman shattering the glass ceiling. They did not face the same barriers when striving to reach that position as a woman and should not be held up as evidence of female achievement. They will have had their own difficulties which may have been as great but those difficulties are not the same as those facing a woman.

There is no such thing as ladybrain. Or a ladypenis. Gender is a bunch of reductive, damaging stereotypes. No one should face discrimination or prejudice for dressing or behaving in a way that is contrary to those bullshit stereotypes.

Being a woman is not a feeling.

I am Azhriaz.

A man cannot become a woman, no matter what he does to himself (including medical and surgical procedures he may undergo), and no matter how he chooses to present himself (including his manner of dress, hairstyle, 'mannerisms', name and preferred pronouns).
Equally, a woman cannot become a man, no matter what she does to herself.

I shall not deviate from this position. To do so would be insanity.

I shall conduct myself politely and with the respect that individuals are due simply by virtue of them being human beings.

I deplore the oppression of any individual on the basis of how they present themselves in public or in private. I support the right of adult MTT and FTT to make whatever changes they wish to their bodies and to present themselves however they wish. I oppose any discrimination such individuals may face. MTT and FTT may face particular difficulties, e.g. with regard to accessing appropriate and sensitively delivered healthcare, and I fully support their rights to obtain the services that they require on an equal footing with any other person.

I am really not a bigot and am really not a transphobe.

BUT MTT are NOT women. And FTT are NOT men.

If on the basis of this, you wish to ban me, so be it

Over 600 Spartacuses so far. That's a lot of banning.