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TransAgenda BullShit: The I am Spartacus Thread

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OscarDeLaYenta · 25/08/2016 19:17

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IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 26/08/2016 18:39

Whore

I find it despairing how much trans activists could have done for men. Instead of redefining women they could have worked for acceptance of men who are more ' feminine ' and challenged traditionally male behaviours
They could have done so much good

I so agree.

Helen, welcome and good to have you with us

TheRollingCrone · 26/08/2016 18:39

I am TheRolling

A man cannot become a woman by having surgery
A woman cannot become a man by having surgery

I have a daughter.I know she's my daughter.She came out of my vagina and she has a vagina.

JinkxMonsoon · 26/08/2016 18:56

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DworkinNineToFive · 26/08/2016 19:02

With my username, it won't come as a surprise that I am also Spartacus. This is what trans mania makes me want to bellow through a loudhailer in the street every day:

I am a woman. A human being was made in my body out of my body and came out of my vagina. I kept that human being alive with my breasts. Woman is not a feeling in a man's head, and woman can never mean having a penis. I am also an atheist, rationalist and feminist. I will never demean myself and my intelligence, or be a traitor to other woman, by lowering myself to even pretend that people can change sex or that being 'born in the wrong body' can be true.

You can't be born in the wrong body. To think this is a delusion. Some people believe they are born in the wrong body and are the wrong race or species, or have disabilities they don't have. We think this is offensive and ridiculous - so why is it somehow true if people say it about gender? There is no such thing as a male or female brain, as neuroscience is now repeatedly and consistently proving. The only reason why people validate this delusion about one's body and no other - we don't give diet pills to anorexics, for example - is because all belief in gender supports misogyny and patriarchy.

Trans activists love to spread the idea that people have an innate, fixed gender identity that exists even before birth, and which remains fixed and true regardless of whatever physicality they may have and whatever life experiences they might have. This is absolutely bonkers and so scientifically impossible that it'd be hilarious... IF people weren't falling for it. It is pseudo-religious claptrap that people should be ashamed of themselves for believing. I want to break down why it is ridiculous: 1) no-one has any identity of anyone kind before birth, or even as a baby. This is neurologically impossible. 2) Furthermore, to have a gender identity before birth would mean that a foetus would have to somehow know intricate details about the culture in which it was going to be born and what part it will be expected to play based on the ideas that culture has about people with that foetus's genitals. This is obviously absurd and impossible. 3) The idea of identity that exists without outside influence is a paradox, as there would nothing for it to be created from. It would also mean that none of us are affected by anything that's ever happened to us, or by anyone we've ever encountered, etc. Obviously untrue also. 4) If identity is some magical essence (a soul) floating around in our body, trapped inside yet independent of its influence, then this would mean that conditions like amnesia and dementia simply couldn't exist. 5) Did I mention already that it's BONKERS?!?!

I am also not 'cis'. This is a highly offensive label that we must all reject utterly. Not only is it offensive because it demands that we women 'other' ourselves by defining us, 52% of the world's population by what we are not compared to less than 1% of the population - trans people - , it also means that one agrees with what gender says about you. But gender says that women are weak, inferior, passive, lesser, masochistic, stupid, born to serve, etc. - I will never, ever accept that.

Luckily, gender isn't true, it's just a form of brainwashing to normalise and justify a hierarchy that places male as superior and female and inferior and which serves as a model for all other oppressions.

People should be able to live however they want, dress how they want, etc. But the way to achieve this is not through the regressive, conservative, transgressive misogyny of the trans agenda. Radical feminism demands the abolition of gender, so that people can just be free to be themselves. Far from being the problem, it is the solution. Sane women, come join us!

AGuyCalledHelen · 26/08/2016 19:10

DworkinNineToFive

At the risk of sounding sycophantic, you just nailed it Star

DropYourSword · 26/08/2016 19:20

So much support for this thread. I'm heartened that it remains respectful towards trans people but also stands against the baffling double speak that is starting to get absurd (female penis for example).

Oh and Tallulah - you could have been anything that you wanted to be!

flippinada · 26/08/2016 19:23

Count me in too. I am Spartacus.

I'll just leave it there as others have verbalised my thoughts and feelings on this far more eloquently than I could.

ftw · 26/08/2016 19:27

Dworkin I'm sane. How do I join you?

PortiaCastis · 26/08/2016 19:32

I am a woman, I have boobs I gave birth, I like sex with a man, I refuse to be labeled cis. I am vangiatitus
I have every sympathy for those trapped in the wrong body but this pronoun shite is wrong. My child has been brought up to use pronouns correctly. If she is gay or trans so be it. I will love her unconditionally.
Stop shoving agendas at others, you live your life we'll live ours

Cocoabutton · 26/08/2016 19:39

I am Cocoabutton

I believe in equality and diversity. I believe in respecting others and showing kindness and compassion to those who are suffering.

I believe that women born of women have long suffered inequality on the grounds of their born sex. I believe that injustice is compounded by denying that sexual difference exists, and by denying women's lived experience. That lived experience is not external, it is not a 'feeling', it cannot be created by hormones or surgery. It cannot and should not be co-opted by men.

I speak as a woman, therefore about women. Men have enough platforms and privilege to speak for themselves.

NickiFury · 26/08/2016 19:45

Just letting people know I have responded to all new PM's for FB group now. Please do let me know if anyone else is interested in joining.

Oscar thanks so very much for this thread. I can feel a tide turning, I really can.

PortiaCastis · 26/08/2016 19:46

I will do some twats on twatter

ArcheryAnnie · 26/08/2016 19:47

I am Spartacus.

I will generally refer to people I know and like by the pronouns they want, as a courtesy. This does not mean I think they have changed sex, but that I understand that some gender-nonconforming people find this as one way to survive in a world which frequently punishes gender-nonconforming people. (Something women know well.)

I pledge here not to use female pronouns for abusive men of any description, for whatever reason. A man who rapes a woman or girl with his penis is not a woman, ever. A man who talks about his "girldick" and tells lesbians to "choke on it" is not a woman or a lesbian, ever. No man is ever a woman, or a lesbian.

I am old enough, and have been involved in LGBT+ organising long enough, to know older gay and/or gender-nonconforming males who have habitually used the word "she" to refer to themselves and to other men, and also known gender-nonconforming males who have lived (full time or part time) presenting as a (certain stereotype of a) woman. None of these, who I have always counted as my political comrades, would have dreamed of insisting they were biologically female, or that women, and especially lesbians, were their oppressors and should STFU and serve them and their needs. None of them would dream of telling lesbians that they should get over their aversion to dick, or say that being a lesbian was "transphobic" and "obsessed with genitals". Most of the ones I am still in contact with are horrified by the current extreme and aggressive trans activist bullshit, and want nothing to do with it.

Sex is a fact. Gender is a prison. Everyone should be free to dress how they please, present as they please, like or dislike things as they please, without being forced into a gender role because of it.

The oppressor class cannot remove themselves from their role in oppression by magically claiming not just to be part of the oppressed class, but to be the most oppressed in the oppressed class. Men who want to disavow their privilege while exercising it to its fullest extent by stealing women's energy, women's space, women's safety and women's successes, and by claiming that they know better than women what being a woman is, are not our comrades or our sisters. They are patriarchy personified.

I am Spartacus.

user1472237022 · 26/08/2016 19:54

There is no such thing as a "lady penis." There is no such thing as being
born in the wrong body." There is no such thing as a "lady brain" and "man brain." No lesbian has a penis. Lesbians who refuse to sleep with MtT are not "transphobic" - they are just lesbians. Women cannot become, nor will they ever be able to become, men, and vice versa. Allowing men to compete in women's sports is wrong and damaging to women's sports. Allowing men to enter female-only spaces like bathrooms, locker rooms and shelters, is irresponsible and wrong. Mainstream transactivism is 100% bulls**t.

user1472237022 · 26/08/2016 19:59

I am Spartacus.

Beammeup11 · 26/08/2016 20:05

I am Beammeup, I am Spartacus.

I am already on the Facebook page. I don't post anything but enjoy reading the comments and I am pleased there are other sane people out there :)

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 26/08/2016 20:06

"Shout out to Helen and Miranda on this thread"

Second this! I know about shit you get for standing up against the TA brigade and you deserve massive kudos for doing it anyway m

HermioneWeasley · 26/08/2016 20:14
QueenLaBeefah · 26/08/2016 20:18

Count me in too. I am Spartacus

I'm not a castrated man. You cannot have a lady penis and Germaine Greer is right (as bloody usual).

AskBasil · 26/08/2016 20:19

Welcome to Mumsnet, Helen and Miranda (if you weren't already here).

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AliceinReality222 · 26/08/2016 20:23

I am Alice,

Men cannot become women, ever. Women cannot become men, ever.

Anna Lee is a man. And I shall refer to him as he.
Ada Wells is a man. And I shall refer to him as he.
Paris Lees is a man. And I shall refer to him as he.
Alex Drummond is a man. And I shall refer to him as he.
Danielle Muscato is a man. And I shall refer to him as he.
Buck Angel is a woman. And I shall refer to her as she.

Reality matters.
Language matters.
Women cannot be erased.

I am Alice

MorrisZapp · 26/08/2016 20:24

Ooh is twitter getting riled? Any links?

trickleupeffect · 26/08/2016 20:25

I am Spartacus.
Abusive man in dress is still an abusive man.
I respect trans people and will use their preferred pronouns.

There are no lesbians with penises. There are no women with penises.

We should be encouraging a deconstruction of gender stereotypes rather than encouraging a switch of gender for all non-conforming people. That would be more respectful of human diversity.

Children shouldn't be given hormones or have their chest bound. It is unethical.

ForeverYazoonique · 26/08/2016 20:36

Oh no a Twitter-based boycott of Mumsnet? By transactivists?!

That'll learn us Hmm

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