TransAgenda BullShit: The I am Spartacus Thread

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Let's not derail this thread with discussion.

Come over to the This Is Bullshit thread #2.

Also want to say that being able to read about this on here has been invaluable for exposing me to a huge range of opinions and forming my own.

I think it's depressing of people to carp about Spartacus being male. Also the minute someone tries to derail a thread by quoting their academic credentials I feel weary.

I think the choice of Spartacus here is excellent.

milpool I'm not going to continue to derail this thread, but suffice it to say there is most definitely an equivalence between the position of the majority of the female population of the world and slavery. And that position is not one a male, raised and socialised as male in a Western country has any direct experience of.

Oh, and the fact I dress feminine rockabilly does not give you the right to assure me 'I'm a femme' who instead of my masculine long term partner at the time (we lived together FFS) I was 'selfish' because 'I'd be PERFECT for a transwoman so I should really not date lesbians'

This was a mythical fucking transwoman, btw!! Saying stuff is 'transphobic' gives misogynists and homophobics a very scary stick to beat lesbians and bisexuals with. I'm very cncerned if MNHQ do not take this into action - How long before the homophobia starts here, under the guise of 'trans tolerance?'

Btw i am not femme and no one has the right to identify me because of what i wear! When I was a teen, I cn so easily have seen myself genuinely believing I was a boy and mutilating my body.

We must protect non straight young girls from the inevitable.

I wasn't going to post how often I got these sorts of comments, because they never came from an actual transwoman. But I do think it's essential MNHQ see the position this puts us (non straights) in.

Sorry, I meant this for other thread!!

"Saying stuff is 'transphobic' gives misogynists and homophobics a very scary stick to beat lesbians and bisexuals with. I'm very cncerned if MNHQ do not take this into action - How long before the homophobia starts here, under the guise of 'trans tolerance?'"

Amen to that.

I've read a long debate elsewhere this AM in which a TERF has entirely adopted and absorbed the TA definition of transophobia

Being forced to call someone by the pronoun 'she' even though they are male is being forced to collaborate in our own opression and to validate the ideology that underpins it.

Seems bizarre to me that someone can gain access to women-only spaces, or claim to represent the views of women, on no more evidence than their own say-so.

We ask for far more evidence before privileges are granted on grounds of nationality, or disability, or choice of schools.

Righty-ho, I'm a disabled 12-year-old and would like child benefit, school meals and a guide dog, please.

No? In that case, I'm Spartacus too.

(My income is going to go up no end if I'm banned from here. I'll miss you all, though.)

This

I am girl and fuck this bullshit.

Grow a back-bone MNHQ or ban me.

I am Nothing. Also, Spartacus.

Posting briefly in support and off to rtft.

I am Rexy and I don't believe that men can become women.

As the mother of a daughter it drives me absolutely bonkers that all our hard won rights are being eroded by men.

All the latest feminist discussion is about men. The media always was saturated with men but now it's even more bloody men. Positions for women, space at women's colleges, even just discussion groups for women. All of it taken over by bloody men. Only they are now women apparently. Bollocks to the lot of it.

I joined mumsnet when I was pregnant as it was also I had to start dealing with my Dads dementia. The Elderly Parents section got me through some very hard times and I'm grateful for all the support I recived on the long running dementia threads. If I am banned I will be very sad but i will always be grateful to the eye opening discussion I have read.

I am a woman. Changing my hair and clothes doesn't change my biology-I'm just a woman with short hair and trousers. Same goes for a man-wear your hair long and put on a dress but you are still a male member of society.

I am happy for anyone to change their name/wear what they like/have consensual sex with whoever they choose but I am not going to pretend that people can change biological facts by changing their wardrobe.
And don't call me 'cis'

Violet,
1)Ignorance does not equal knowing that a person with a penis is not a woman.

2)Women who've been assaulted (1 in 5) and don't want to see strangers' penises when they are changing or sleeping in refuges/hostels/prisons are not hate-filled. The people with penises who insist they have a right to inflict their penises (or ladydicks) on traumatised women are vicious hate-filled misogynists.

I am Joan the Vampire Slayer.

Sex is not 'assigned' at birth, it is biological fact.
You cannot change sex anymore than you can change species.
Pandering to newspeak just provides more opportunities to gaslight women.

To quote Moll:
Every time a Twitter user threatens to 'cave in' a teenage girl's head for objecting to the term 'cis scum', every time one of our gay teenage daughters is told she must allow a penis inside her or she's a TERF bitch who deserves to die, you're right behind it.

MNHQ:are you right behind this?

I refuse to stop using the word vagina incase it affects someone who wants one. I refuse to not refer to mothers as mothers just incase one mother 'identifies' as a male. I think the world has gone bananas and I knew nothing about it until yesterday. I have soken up about trans rights previously, I believed that people born in the wrong body are worthy of sympathy and understanding, and I still do. However what I saw yesterday opened my eyes to how 'trans' is being abused by blokes on a power trip. I read pages and pages of abuse directed at lesbians who were accused of being transphobic for refusing to sleep with a person who had a 'lady penis', I learnt the disgusting phrase cotton ceiling and what it meant. I found out that noone has to actively DO anything to change into the 'sex' they want to be, they can just declare that they think it and it is so, and anyone who disagrees is transphobic. Its not that easy, nor should it be and expecting people to accept it is disgusting. As is trying to shut down any discussion of it all by calling people bigots.

I will adhere to whatever pronoun someone wants me to. I will call someone sir unicorn if that makes them happy. I will not pretend that someone can become a woman because they wish it, or should be accepted as a woman while they have a penis. I adhere to pronouns out of respect, not because I believe it is correct. I will not give a shit about using the correct pronoun for monsters such as Ada who advocate rape and expulsion for lesbians who will not fuck him and his mighty penis.

I am Lulu and I am Spartacus.

I'm so sad yet another safe space could be disappearing. Go ahead and ban me Mumsnet as I wouldn't want to stay anyway.

A man can become a transwoman but not a woman.

A woman can become a transman but not a man.

No one should have to have sex with anyone they don't want to. Insisting they do is purveying rape culture.

As a mother of 3 girls I'm horrified they will have this future, opportunities taken away from them that past generations have fought so hard for. Sports, scholarships and safe spaces. Freedom of speech, equal pay and crime statistics. These will affect us all. Everyone else needs to open their eyes, I'm just glad I woke up after reading up on here.

Adding myself to the list.

There are two sexes - male and female. As things stand, the male/men have dominance and control and the female/women still have a huge fight on our hands. Sexism is the expression of that "inferiority" of the female.

Gender is a construct. Breaking gender down into ever-increasing circles of complex identify helps no-one. The only way to combat non-discrimination is to combat sexism. Get rid of the supremacy of the male and inferiority of the female. If true equality exists, it doesn't matter how anyone wants to present themselves.

That's a tough fight. But that's the fight that is needed. Fight the patriarchy, not us.

So - I add my name to this list. I support all individuals to live their lives as suits them, free of judgement and discrimination. I accept that these worst manifestations of trans-activism do not speak for all trans people and I applaud those transpeople who speak out against them. I do not accept the double-speak and thought-crime that leads to the concept of the female penis. I do not accept the obliteration of lesbians. I do not accept the "trans"ing of young people before they reach sexual maturity and the point of self-determination. I do not accept the requirement for women to move aside and relinquish space - be that in sport or refuges or women-only shortlists or platforms for free speech.

I am Spartacus.

Thank you OP for the thread.

Exactly. I'm an adult, I can cope with the misogynists perverts who drool over my sexuality and crave to 'conquer my cotton ceiling' shudder

What about teenage girls? How to explain consent to a lesbian/bisexual teen? You can read my experiences from five years ago on the other thread, I'm horrified at the thought of what teenage girls go through now. S I'll also copy and paste as I think this particular comment deserves a direct response:

Every time a Twitter user threatens to 'cave in' a teenage girl's head for objecting to the term 'cis scum', every time one of our gay teenage daughters is told she must allow a penis inside her or she's a TERF bitch who deserves to die, you're right behind it.

MNHQ:are you right behind this?

On another note, you're all better than me. I will no longer be referring to any transwoman (except on here) as anything other than their first name. I do not respect most of them anymore, but I am not a rulebreaker, so no he. but sure as fuck no she. Not with rapists!!

However, I will call anyone Sir or Lady Unicorn

I am OneFlew. I am Spartacus.

I will use people's preferred pronouns 99% of the time because I think it is the kind thing to do, but that does not mean that I believe that people can change sex.

I think that the belief in lady brain is central to transgender theory and in complete contradiction of feminism.

I am Rattledickie....

I am Spartacus