TransAgenda BullShit: The I am Spartacus Thread

[OscarDeLaYenta]

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I'm Spartacus, and so's my horse.

Agree so so much with everything here. So glad to see it said (and intrigued by the absence of the TRAs so far). Will take my ban LIKE A WOMAN if necessary.

what they all said. Each and every one of them
Im saying it too.
Im Nettle and Im Spartacus

My little boy has long hair. He is kind and he is gentle, and he has been known to wear pink and dresses on occasion. But he is a boy and I dont want anyone saying that because he doesnt like football and doesnt want the blue pill, that he was born in the wrong body. Even he, at 10, knows what sex he is. And even he (and my feisty 15 year old DD) despite both of them being ASD and therefore apparently 'ripe' for transgenderism, know that gender is crap. There are no 'boys' things. There are no 'girls' things. There are just 'things' and bloody stupid marketing companies and fuck off porno media trying to fit people into ever narrowing 'gendered' boxes.

We reject gender
We are people.

We believe people can be and dress and identify as whatever they want, and be free to do so as long as nobody is getting hurt. Call yourself Monkey Unicorn if you like. We respect you to do that.

But sex is sex is sex.

penis and testicles = XY = male
womb and ovaries = XX = female

Thats just the way it is

Ban me if you must MN but I have read enough of this bullshit.

I am a woman. Not a cis woman (my autocorrect refused to allow Cis at least 8 times!) I do not 'identify' as anything other than myself.

*Women cannot become men, men cannot become women.

Lesbians cannot have penises; people with penises (men) must not be allowed to invade the safe spaces that women have fought over centuries so hard to secure.

I respect the right of everyone to live their lives without fear of discrimination or violence. That includes women.*

I love the quote about knowing who is in charge when you are not allowed to challenge or criticise them. Men in dresses telling women how to think and speak. What a refreshing change from men in trousers telling women how to think and behave.

I am italiangreyhound and I am respectful of choices people make about how they dress or even (as adults) choose to modify their bodies.

But I deplore the pressure on people, especially young people and children, to bend to gender (which is a social construct) and can be very harmful to all.

Many young women have felt they cannot live comfortably in their female bodies (nothing new) but some are willing to lose their breast and even their female reproductive organs to try and be 'male'. This is not possible and thankfully more and more women are detransitioning and reclaiming themselves as female, posting their stories on the internet.

I am Spartacus and I love Mumsnet, I hope Mumsnet will prove worthy of my love!

Anyone feel the need to signpost to an alternative virtual 'home' in case we are banned? Where's good?

Biological fact should never be treated as offensive.

MTT or FTT, one cannot change biology and you are not the same as people born the sex you wish to be.

Until that is accepted there will be tension.

Add me to the list.
Caitlin Jenner is a male
Ada, etc etc

Trans women are men.

I am Green
I am appalled by the growing trend encouraging young women and girls to think that if they reject female stereotypes they must be male.
Many girls approaching puberty in our currently highly-sexualised society are concerned, fearful, unhappy with and rejecting of what they see being expected of them as their bodies change.
Being surrounded by a generation of boys raised on internet porn and confronted by hyper-sexualised images of females, presents an intimidating, if not downright abusive, climate for our adolescent girls.
Little wonder that girls are rejecting the role of sexual availability, and with it their own developing bodies which seem to be a magnet for anything from “low-level” objectification to outright sexual abuse.
For adult society to "affirm" these girls as "trans" puts them on a road to breast-binding, puberty blockers, mastectomy, sterilising hormones & ultimately genital mutilation.
Many of these girls would grow up to be lesbians, so it is lesbian conversion therapy.
Women and lesbians have been consistent allies of trans people, against discrimination and abuse.
But we must resist and expose this damaging and misogynist cult, which is not in the interests of trans people, women, men, girls or boys.
I am Spartacus.

I am TheOptimisticSpartacus.

I believe in scientific fact, not delusion.

I will not pander to, submit to, or in anyway entertain the delicate sensitivities of those spreading damaging lies throughout our society.
I will not censor my speech and bend the English language to suit a vocal and aggressive minority. I will not engage with talk of 'lady penis' and 'lady brain'. Womanhood is my reality, it is not a costume, it is not a 'feeling'.

I will not agree that males can become female. I will not agree that a surgically inverted penis is a vagina. I will not subscribe to the fallacy that biological sex is changeable and gender has more innate.

I am not a 'cis'woman. I am not a handmaiden. I will not be silenced.

I am WOMAN. Hear me roar!

I believe in biology. Sex is binary and cannot be changed. We are not "assigned" a sex at birth which we can later change simply by saying so - our sex simply is. Being "feminine" as defined by gender stereotypes doesn't make you a woman and being "masculine" doesn't make you a man. Being born "in the wrong body" doesn't make sense.

It's awful that stating scientific facts is now apparently considered abusive or violent. The trans agenda is dangerous and shouldn't be prioritised above women's rights (and a woman is an adult human female)

It goes without saying that I want to treat everyone with dignity as a human being but we can't let trans activists trample all over women's rights.

I'm so glad there are so many women here who are not afraid to say the emperor isn't wearing any clothes.

I am Spartacus.

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act"

Deep breath.
I am Slinky Spartacus. Many have said it better than me, no penis is female, no vagina is male.
People should be able to live their lives without fear, without hate, without vilification for stating the truth.

I'm PeriodFeatures

I was banned from Mumsnet over 2 years ago for arguing with women expressing the views on this thread.

I was married to a transman. We have a child together.

Our child refers to him as Daddy.

I also have post traumatic stress disorder as a result of abuse, extremely mysoginistic abuse perpetrated by this person. I have spent a lot of time thinking about this.

A lot. In 2004 legislation meant that I was now having sex with a man. This over rode the very real reality that I was having sex with a person with no penis and a womb.

I had to effectively pretend and live with this reality for years. 10 years. No one knew. I had no one to talk to about the day to day stuff that we went through. I fell in love with a person, not a gender.

Trust me, there is a huge issue with individuals denying reality of biological sex.

If he'd been openly trans, it would've been ok. But he was effectively pretending to be biologically male.

When we ventured into the trans community world we met lots of people. There were some disturbing things going on and some wholly decent people.

His name is on my sons birth certificate under father.

Because of legislation people are getting harmed.

My exH. (We were married). Went into a secure psychiatric hospital at 14 and came out with a male identity and hormone blockers. With the additional reality of experiencing serious childhood abuse.

Tonight this FTM is in hospital and is having yet another health scare as a result of his multiple surgeries.

He was supposed to pick up my son tonight and take him for the next few days...as ordered by a family court.

I'm not transphobic, I have compassion and even love enough to offer to help (but I won't)

If you cannot read all of the above and not call into question a) how is this child going to get to grips with his paternity when even his own 'father' won't acknowledge his identity. b) whether or not is was right for a 14 year old girl who had suffered abuse to be supported to medically transition, c) how a woman can live for 10 years with a partner 'in stealth' and not be psychologically traumatised.

I honestly don't know the answer. I thought I did, I really did. I was raised by open, liberal non discriminatory parents and love is love.

I just can't see how having the experience I've had can not be harmful. Maybe it's just me but I reAlly struggle to assimilate it. That's why I try to be open now. Open to all views.

I am InTheDarkestHour

I shall conduct myself politely and with the respect that individuals are due simply by virtue of them being human beings - OscarDeLaYenta

A man cannot become a woman
A woman cannot become a man

There is no such thing as a Woman with a penis
There is no such thing as a Lesbian with a penis

I do not accept being labelled a cis woman
I do not accept penises in women's safe spaces
I do not accept a crime committed by a transwoman being added to women's stats
I do not accept transwomen competing against women in sport

If I am banned so be it, better that than to remain and be forced into silence.

My thoughts and feelings on this topic have already been so well articulated by many of you. Thank-you for speaking up!

runny there's a FB group discussing these issues. Please do send me a PM if you're interested and anyone else feel free to as well

Hi NickiFury. I'd like to get involved in the debate on FB, really interested in what anyone has to say

Send me a PM and I will give you the details. Am on the app so can't message you

I am AnyThe Spartacus.

I reject the term cis wholeheartedly. There is no female penis.

I believe much of the rise in trans is purely down to homophobia- some people would rather believe their child has a medical condition, born into the wrong body and medically helped to transition, rather than accept their child is gay.

The reification of gender - that fabricated and oppressive collection of stereotypes, limitations and patriarchal expectations - as the true basis of what womanhood is, is an enormous backward step for feminism.

The denial of biological sex as the basis of sexism and misogyny dishonors the bravery and sacrifices of generations of our feminist foremothers (including the real Ada Wells ) whose fight was always against gender and who have brought so many of us so far along the road to liberation. The centring of the trans agenda in 3rd wave feminism is leading to the failure of this generation of women in the developed World to further that fight for future generations, and an appalling undermining of our collective potential to fight the oppression of women Worldwide on behalf of those who do not have the freedoms or resources to fight for themselves and their daughters.

Modifying our language to contradict the material reality that we know to be true, in order to validate "gender identity" as the basis of womanhood - whether we do it to spare someone's feelings or to keep from being deleted / banned from Mumsnet - is active participation in the reification of gender as the basis of womanhood.

I refuse to be part of it anymore. I refuse to be shamed or intimidated into actively participating in the promotion of a false ideology that defines womanhood according to compliance with gender, that threatens the future safety and freedom of my daughters, and that distracts from and undermines feminist efforts to improve the lot of oppressed and abused girls and women worldwide.

I'm Spartacus.

I am Tartycus.
I'm a woman, not a cis-woman. I have menstruated, conceived, given birth and breastfed.
Women's issues such as reproductive rights,/abortion,/contraception, menstruation, pregnancy, and choices in childbirth are paramount for me (along with equal rights under the law) and I abhor that these issues are being sidelined, or worse, by some transactivists as part of their agenda because 'they don't apply to all women,' meaning MTF transsexuals have little if any interest in them.
(Except when taking offence at other people saying only women, adult human females, can do this when it is no less than the truth. The one or two 'men' who have given birth are in fact female.)
If a man wants to dress, behave, live as a woman, that's fine by me. But he is a transwoman, not a woman.

I'm Spartacus

I'm Flumpty. I'm Spartacus.

Biology is fact. I will not be brow-beaten into stating otherwise, as that would mean colluding in my own abuse.

I am Bathshua Spooner, born of the union between a man and woman. A man may have penis surgically removed and have breasts implanted but that does not make him a woman. All the magical thinking in the world will not change biologica facts. I am BathshuSpooner, I am a woman.

There are no women with penises. There is no female penis.
There are no male vaginas. Men do not have vaginas.
I am a woman.
Cis is a chemical term IME and IMO and has no relation to my status as a woman. I will not be called cis.

I am not transphobic. However, I reject the notion that a man has only to declare himself as "woman" to become one. This is a nonsense and should not be legally validated. Intact men should not be given free access to women's safe spaces just because they "feel like being a woman." And this should not be allowed by law either.

Have mixed toilets, by all means. Mixed changing rooms, by all means. BUT also have toilets and changing rooms for WOMEN - BIOLOGICAL WOMEN - only. This does not mean that I fear transwomen. It does not mean that I believe transwomen are dangerous. It means that SOME men who CHOOSE to self-identify as women are in fact predatory males and they should not be given free access to safe WOMEN-ONLY spaces. Free from predation.

I believe there are women and transwomen. There are men and transmen.
I respect people's choice to live how they want to live - BUT I will not accept that they have a right to change how I live because of their choices.