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TransAgenda BullShit: The I am Spartacus Thread

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OscarDeLaYenta · 25/08/2016 19:17

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AliveAlone · 25/08/2016 22:58

I am AliveAlone.
I am a woman.
I am Spartacus.

Cheby · 25/08/2016 22:59

I am Cheby.

I respect the right of anyone to live and alter their bodies as they choose to. I will use preferred pronouns as I believe other human beings deserve respect and courtesy.

I do not believe that you can change your biological sex. Men cannot become women, women cannot become men. There are no female penises and it is not in anyway transphobic for a lesbian to state that she has no desire to have sex with a penis.

Gender is a social construct that restricts and damages us all.

NickiFury · 25/08/2016 23:00

I will call trans people he or she in day to day interactions if that is what they feel comfortable with and it makes them happy, it does not mean I believe it and it does not mean I wish to give up women's hard won spaces. For me it is just good manners to refer to them as they request. Women are not Men, Men are not Women and can never be, but people can dress and live however they please as long as it isn't hurting other people and women are not being endangered or demanded to move out of their spaces and change beliefs to accommodate them.

I believe that encouraging children who are not at least in their teen years and able to make a properly informed decision to trans is utterly reprehensible and I would question the thought processes and motives of a parent that allowed this. To clarify, they can wear whatever they like, play with whatever they like and do what they hell they like to their appearance, within reason, but to begin a permanent process of transitioning with the potential terrifying outcomes for the future is unnecessary and dangerous.

As for Lesbians and the "cotton ceiling" - to the trans people who demand that they must be accommodated by these women or they will attack them and label them as TERFS, I say Fuck Right Off.

I have loads more to say but I can never be bothered to read super long posts on here so I wouldn't expect anyone to read mine.

IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 25/08/2016 23:04

What was Spartacus' wife called? Forced into slavery?

YouAreMyRain · 25/08/2016 23:05

I am YouAreMyRain

Biological sex is real and cannot be changed. Sex is recorded at birth not assigned.

Gender is a social construct that oppresses women (and also varies according to time and place)

There is no such thing as a female penis.

People who are born male, I will refer to as "he". People who are born female, I will refer to as "she".

I am a TERF.

The transgender activists/gender fundamentalists are basically males who seek to further oppress and control women by showing us how they are "more perfect" women than we can ever be. They invade our spaces. They use violence and threats of violence to silence us and they seek to remove the language of women/ females by shouting "transphobia".

I do not accept the term "cis" (or made up pronouns such as "ze"/"zir" etc)

I am Spartacus and I can see the truth.

NowtSalamander · 25/08/2016 23:06

I am NowtSpartacus

And I am very frightened for my daughter, who does not conform to gender norms. I am frightened that she will be told she is actually a boy if we don't start TELLING THE TRUTH.

A girl can never become a boy, no matter how much she likes tractors or what hormones she puts in her body.

A man can never become a woman.

We need to be able to talk about this MN - and you have been such a great place to do so. But you need to remember that as we need you, you need us.

Lalsy · 25/08/2016 23:06

I am Lalsy.

I am a scientist and a feminist.

Sex is a matter of biological fact. Gender is a bullshit social construct.

MNHQ, Miranda Yardley and the gender apostates have many interesting discussions about language including [[http://genderapostates.com/trans-women-are-women-is-a-lie/]] by Helen Highwater. Helen says “Trans women are women” is a lie that is as dangerous to transwomen as it is to women". You need to listen to these brave and marginalised voices as well, I think.

OscarDeLaYenta · 25/08/2016 23:07

IBelieve - Phrygia was his wife. (I know this not from the film but from watching the Bolshoi Ballet's production of Spartacus far too many times.)

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knit1purl1 · 25/08/2016 23:07

I am as Spartacus as you like. Human biology is not a social construct. Gender is.

shinynewusername · 25/08/2016 23:07

I would also ask why a website for women feels that it has to conform to the demands of a tiny number of bullying TA men? They don't even represent all trans people, many of whom are uncomfortable with their views but fear being ostracised if they speak out (waves to Miranda who is incredibly brave). Why do they get to shout us down? Why would MN collude with them?

Lalsy · 25/08/2016 23:08

trying again

NAEfeartie · 25/08/2016 23:08

I am NAEfearty.

I have spent literally years combating this bullshit and I am moved to tears to see women finally acting in solidarity to say "NO MORE".

My life was almost destroyed by a man who went from admitting he had a fetish one day to declaring himself a woman. My protests were silenced. I was gaslighted, I was called a bigot, a transphobe, a hater. For refusing to comply with the demand that I accept the circular reasoning of "trans women are women". I refuse to comply with that outright lie. No man will ever be a woman. There IS NO "female brain", or "feminine essence", or any other essentialist bullshit put forward by these colonisers of female. "Hormone washes in uteri"? BULLSHIT. "Biology is subjective" NONSENSE. "My penis is a female penis." GO SHOVE IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE.
And as for the use of CHILDREN to sanitise and legitimise the desires of male fetishits...GO F**K YOURSELF.
I came back from the brink of utter destruction to tell you this...IT IS ALL LIES.
I am NAEfearty and I stand with all women who see and speak the truth. We WILL NOT ALLOW OURSELVES TO BE SILENCED, INTIMIDATED, AND FORCED TO LIE.
I am NAEfearty. I am Spartacus. WE are women.

MisDescamisados · 25/08/2016 23:09

I am MisDescamisados.

I stand with everyone here.

situatedknowledge · 25/08/2016 23:11

I am SituatedSparticus.

^^ what they said.

wheresmybloodygreencard · 25/08/2016 23:11

I am wheresmybloodygreencard. I'm a woman.

I stand.

TriniRedVelvet · 25/08/2016 23:12

I am Trini.
I was born with a vagina, womb, ovaries and ovum. I am NOT cis-anything.
I am a woman.
Persons born with a penis and XY chromosomes are not women.
Persons born with vaginas and XX chromosomes are not men.
No surgery or hormones that alter the physical genitalia can turn a man into a woman or a woman into a man.
I respect people's right to live as they want and do not condone discrimination.
As a woman, and mother to a daughter, I (and Dd) have a right to safe places for women only in situations where sexual predation can occur... ladies toilets, female changing rooms at leisure centres etc
Such expectation does not make me a bigot.

FarelyKnuts · 25/08/2016 23:12

I am Farely
I stand with everyone else here

Lovecat · 25/08/2016 23:12

I am Lovecat.

Gender is a social construct that should be abolished.

Sex is a biological fact.

Transing children is child abuse.

Expecting lesbians to accept a penis as part of their sex lives is abusive and homophobic.

Do NOT call me cis.

I will respect people's pronouns and their right to live as they please (unless they are atrocious gobshites like Ada/Nate Wells and his poisonous ilk) but I will not say that there is such a thing as ladybrain (or boybrain for that matter). Penis is male, vagina is female.

I love MN. It's been a source of support, comfort, entertainment, education, RL and online friendship and laughter for 11 years now. It would kill me to be banned. But I will not stand by and watch women be silenced in favour of men and their virtue-signalling handmaidens taking our spaces and policing our language.

I am Spartacus.

ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe · 25/08/2016 23:13

I'm Chardonnay.
I'm a woman, I'm not cis.

Hateloggingin · 25/08/2016 23:13

I'm with all previous posters. I hate this emperors new clothes shit - I am not cis I am a woman.

Undertheboredwalk · 25/08/2016 23:14

I am Spartacus.
I want to echo every single thing said on this thread.

Men are men and will always be
Women are women and will always be

You can't wish your way out of biological fact.

I absolutely love that this thread exists!

knittingnancy · 25/08/2016 23:14

I am knittingnancy.

I am a lesbian. I am the mother of a daughter.

Biological sex is a fact. The fact that there are people wih intersex conditions does not alter the fact that humans are a sexually dimorphic species. Humans are not assigned a sex at birth.

Gender is a social construct.

Wear what you want, present how you want. Get whatever body modifications you want. But women do not have penises. Transwomen are male. Men do not give birth. Transmen are female.

I will not allow my little daughter to be in a place where men are able to undress in front of her or to use the same toilets as her.

It is not the responsibility of women to protect men from other men.

I will not lie to my little daughter and tell her that people can change sex.

People who do not conform to gender stereotypes are not trans.

I will never use 'cis'.

There is no such thing as a woman, or indeed a lesbian, with a penis.

ThatStewie · 25/08/2016 23:16

Cotton ceiling is simply rape culture. And human biology is not a fairy tale. Penises are not now and never will be female.

madamginger · 25/08/2016 23:16

I am sparticus.
Men are not and can never be women.
I am a terf and I'm not ashamed to say so.
I reject the term cis.
Lesbians do not have sex with 'female penises'

Ifitquackslikeaduck · 25/08/2016 23:18

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