TransAgenda BullShit: The I am Spartacus Thread

[OscarDeLaYenta]

Post deleted by MNHQ as it broke our Talk Guidelines

I am ToastDemon and I am gender-critical. No-one can change sex, it's a biological impossibility.

I am Spartacus.
I stand with Oscar et al.

I am TitaniasTits.

I respect, and will defend, your right to live as you wish so long as you hurt no other.

Wear what you want. Call yourself what you want. Sleep with, and fall in love with, whoever you want to, so long as they fully consent and are fully able to do so.

But you cannot make me believe what you believe just to make you more comfortable. If you have a penis, I am not going to believe you are a woman because you tell me so, anymore than I believe that the communion wafer turns into the literal blood of Christ because Catholics tell me so; or that all Virgos are perfectionists because astrologists tell me so.

Finally, you do not have the right not to be offended, only to speak out against those that offend you. As do I.

Thought I'd dust this off and re-post....

I am Spurticus

There is no such thing as a lesbians with a penis.

There is no such thing as a woman with a penis.

You are not assigned sex at birth, you HAVE a sex at birth.

Gender is a social construct.

A man cannot become a woman, and a woman cannot become a man.

It's not unusual to be Spartacus

Happy to accept the label TERF - Trans excluding radical feminist: I'm a woman and there are times that my boundaries would exclude trans*. Because, y'know, penises.

If you suggest that I change my boundaries to accommodate your "feelz", well fuck that shit.

I am Babieseverywhere.

I believe in biological sex, which is observed not assigned at birth.

I do not believe in gender. It is a pointless, self limiting idea.

Transwomen will always be biological male and Transmen will always be biological female, even if they take hormones and have surgery.

Trans rights are eliminating womens rights. Is this is something Mumsnet wants to support ?

I am Spartacus.

I am a woman.

I am not an idea in a man's head.

I'm AGnu. Call me bison or okapi & I'll sue.

I'm happy to be polite to people, to call them what makes them comfortable but I expect the same respect to be shown to me. I reject the notion of "cis". I'm a human female, that makes me a woman. That's how it works. Just that, a woman, no additional explanation needed.

I also reject the concept of gender. Sometimes I like to wear dresses, more often I'd rather be in muddy jeans half way up a tree. People are individuals, not stereotypes.

I am HTC.

Biological sex is a fact. You are born male or female. You cannot change this.

Gender is a social construct.

I am Spartacus.

I am Roly. And Spartacus. I have lurked (and learned) for over 3 years but never posted. Until now. Just want to agree with and show solidarity to all the women on this thread. Very very important and such a strong message.

I am Soubriquet (the poster formally known as NeedACleverNN)

I refuse to allow my daughter to grow up and having to show her body to a man in a woman's changing room.

I will never forget reading the post on here when a woman would tell her daughter to stop being stupid and strip off in a changing room with a transwoman.

We are not just protecting children, we are protecting women

I am Elle.
I am so grateful to have been part of this discussion on MN today. So many articulate and intelligent posters. My eyes have been opened and questions answered.

And yet MNHQ has totally failed to address this hugely important issue.
Sex clearly cannot be changed. The misogyny of trans activism is terrifying, and yet organisations such as MNHQ have rolled over without a whimper. Why?

@Waltermittythesequel

Nothing from HQ?

Evening all
Thanks for all your posts.
To clarify - we have long been for free speech and want to keep the conversation flowing.

We're also aware that because there are so many issues here some of which are only just emerging that we're not always gonna make the right call on every single thread - though rest assured we work bloody hard trying to do so.

We ask for your patience and understanding as we strike the right balance.

This is probably not going to be the overnight answer you're wanting not least because it being the school summer hols, several MNHQers are in areas with dodgy wifi and not screenside in the way that they might usually be, but we will be addressing this in the coming weeks.

Thanks in advance as ever
Peace and love

I have a close childhood friend who is a FtM trans man. He suffered terribly from gender dysphoria, is far happier presenting as a man and I respect his right to live as what society regards as a male way. However I no more believe that he has turned into a biological man than I believe my dog can turn into a cat. I believe that the underlying cause of my friend's gender dysphoria is not that he was 'born in the wrong body' but the constraints he experienced as a girl. It is insane that - rather than trying to challenge gender constraints - society seems hell-bent on reinforcing them with hormones, surgery and lies. This will harm us all -especially young gay people being pressured to transition, rather than accept their sexuality.

I am genuinely frightened by the way the media are silencing and excluding women and trying to force us to believe something that is manifestly untrue. MN please, please do not be part of that. What will happen to young women like Moll's daughter if no one is allowed to speak the truth?

I am shiny Spartacus

I am TheOldestCat.

Be who you will, make your own mark on the world, love the person you want and be loved.

Challenge gender stereotypes. Please. Like many of us do every day - so our children don't grow up thinking glitter and pink and emotions are for girls, and trains and science and hard stuff are just for boys. Stuff we tell our children - male and female - every day in words and actions so they grow up being their true selves, not forced into clothes/actions/thoughts that limit them.

But tell me I'm a ciswoman? Crap. In just more than living memory, British women were disenfranchised - and now we still get paid less than equivalents with penises. So no thanks. I will support you to live how you want to, with kindness and an enquiring mind. But I will not have my experience marginalised some more.

I am Spartacus.

Transwomen are not women.
Transmen are not men.
A man cannot become a woman, a woman cannot become a man.
Gender is a load of made up bullshit.

I am RiverTam.

Biology is real.
Gender is a social construct that is ever-changing.
And transing children is child abuse.

I am Spartacus.
I am SirVix with a cervix.
I state scientific , biological, incontrovertable facts- Women do not have penises. Women do not have testes. Only women have XX chromosomes and can give birth and breastfeed. Referring to someone male as "He" is entirely accurate as our language stands. To refuse to allow women to use their own language in entirely accurate ways is bullying. To call someone with testes and a penis male is not a hate-crime. I have supported gay rights my entire adult life, I believe in fairness. I also believe in the TRUTH.

I am scallops.

Men cannot be women. Women cannot be men. To believe otherwise is harmful to women and panders to male privilege.

Gender is a social construct and hierarchy harmful to women. It needs to be abolished not upheld as it panders to male privilege.

I am not a scallop.

What's to think on?
You are clearly deleting posts, threads and members you feel are "transphobic" so there must be some sort of policy HQ work from in order to do so.

I am coco.
Men cannot become women and women cannot become men.
Wear whatever the fuck you want, use whatever name you want, nobody cares.
But dont try to tell us you have magically changed sex.

What they all said, pretty much

MNHQ, get a grip

I am WildEyedAndHairy

I agree 100% with the following:

A man cannot become a woman, no matter what he does to himself (including medical and surgical procedures he may undergo), and no matter how he chooses to present himself (including his manner of dress, hairstyle, 'mannerisms', name and preferred pronouns).
Equally, a woman cannot become a man, no matter what she does to herself.

I shall not deviate from this position. To do so would be insanity.

I shall conduct myself politely and with the respect that individuals are due simply by virtue of them being human beings.

I deplore the oppression of any individual on the basis of how they present themselves in public or in private. I support the right of adult MTT and FTT to make whatever changes they wish to their bodies and to present themselves however they wish. I oppose any discrimination such individuals may face. MTT and FTT may face particular difficulties, e.g. with regard to accessing appropriate and sensitively delivered healthcare, and I fully support their rights to obtain the services that they require on an equal footing with any other person.

D'ya geddit, MNHQ? I am really not a bigot and am really not a transphobe.

BUT MTT are NOT women. And FTT are NOT men.

If on the basis of this, you wish to ban me, so be it.

The coming weeks?

Don't think will go away .. It won't