Seriously MN this is fucking bullshit.

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Message from MNHQ: We're afraid we felt we had to delete this thread as we feel like it has strayed way outside of our Talk Guidelines. We do regard deliberate, malicious misgendering (as opposed to accidental slip ups) as transphobic. Thank you to everyone who took the time to post thoughtfully here. We understand folks will want to talk more about pronouns and trans issues in general on another thread perhaps - but we would ask that you do so in way that doesn't rehash or repeat this thread. Thanks.&Message from MNHQ: We're afraid we felt we had to delete this thread as we feel like it has strayed way outside of our Talk Guidelines. We do regard deliberate, malicious misgendering (as opposed to accidental slip ups) as transphobic. Thank you to everyone who took the time to post thoughtfully here. We understand folks will want to talk more about pronouns and trans issues in general on another thread perhaps - but we would ask that you do so in way that doesn't rehash or repeat this thread. Thanks.

ONE poster wanted to discuss pronouns and they won. A thread about women being shut down by transactivists was shut down by a ta.

Fucking brilliant.

AND FOR THE RECORD THE PERSON'S PRONOUNS ARE 'THEY'

A vile misogynist was "misgendered" be being called he, because we can not even discuss who is doing this.. It is he's. It is men.

they was not even a thing 5 years ago. If I today demanded my pronouns be "Vagina owner" would everyone have to respect that?

tortoise
www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/10/transgender-clinic-waiting-times-patient-numbers-soar-gender-identity-services

from the link

The Tavistock clinic, the only centre for children and adolescents in England, has seen referral increases of about 50% a year since 2010-11. In the past year it has had an unexpected and unprecedented increase of 100%, up from 697 to 1,398 referrals.

Referrals of children and adolescents to the Sandyford clinic in Glasgow also doubled in a year, from 90 in 2014 to 178 in 2015.

Waiting times for a first appointment at a gender identity clinic are about nine months on average for adults and half that for children. One in six adults wait more than a year.

The GIC in Leeds estimated that a patient referred to the service at the end of October last year would wait four years before their first consultation with a medical specialist. However, the clinic is hoping increased funding will see waiting times drop in 2016.

HornyTortoise In some parts of the country the school application forms for 4 year olds accomodates this. There is a box for male, a box for female and a box for children who "don't identify with the sex they were assigned at birth" Parents are to tick the appropriate box.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3590175/Children-young-THREE-convinced-born-wrong-body-Toddlers-1-500-16s-sent-transgender-identity-clinic.html

This is my first MN post - hello everybody (is that smiley gonna work?? I can hardly believe this shit is for real. I just had to Google "peak trans moment" & realise I've just had mine. Some of those links are eye- openers into a world of delusional, rancid hate. Wow.

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/family/transgender-children-my-son-told-me-he-was-a-girl/

This is a national scandal. How can a child of three or four possibly identify as transgender. How can this be happening? Be endorsed by health providers and schools?

Madness. A total lack of duty of care for our young children.

I remember DS1 telling me he wanted to be a girl because he wanted to be a mummy like me and not a daddy (mummy's boy).
He was 3. He's now 7 and definitely wants to be a boy. A toddler saying things like that is completely normal. It doesn't make them transgender for crying out loud! What is the world coming to?

What did posie get banned for?

How the fuck is a 4 year old capable of making a huge life changing decision like that. This is actually appalling. Why would any parent chose to do shit like this to their child either. Only reason I can think of is for attention for themselves, as it sure as hell isn't for the poor kid

My dd has told me she wants to be a boy before, and only wants boys things and won't wear pink, and can she have a blue room. Then a week later, that's all out, and she wants to be a girl again. She's 8.

I tell her there's no such thing as boy's things and girl's things, and she can play with, wear, and do whatever she wants.

This whole thing is so fucked up. What are we doing to our children?

Hello zazaga and welcome

ftw - I believe posie objected to the misgendering rule, and said she could not guarantee that she would not necessarily refer to MTT as 'she' in the future.

under, good for posie. Sorry she got banned for it though.

Hoping everyone who wanted to be has been added to the FB group now. Anyone still waiting or interested please do send me a PM

Thanks for the link to the site where discussion of this issue is not censored.

There is so much that is shocking on this thread, just so much - and so I think I have now hit my "peak trans" moment. I used to support the concept of people believing they were born into the wrong body, and wanting to change. I still do when they're genuine about it. BUT I cannot believe the ridiculousness that any man can choose to identify as a woman without then doing ANYTHING different apart from wearing different clothes. Transvestitism shouldn't have become the same as transgender, why did it?

I knew a girl at school who has since transitioned to become a man. Although I agree that this is a biological fallacy, this person is now a male in all but chromosomes. They have had the surgery, the hormones, the lifestyle change etc. and I have no problem with using the pronouns "him" and "he" to describe this person.

I will never call someone like "Ada Wells" a woman, because he isn't. Ditto all the other "I've still got my fully-functional rape kit attached but I feel like being a woman now".

And, as an aside, I had never heard of "corrective rape" before this thread and was truly horrified - of course I can work out what it is, trying to change the orientation of lesbians to straight - jeezus!

As another total aside, I have heard (been told by a LGBT autistic person) that there is a higher incidence of LGBT in the autistic population than the NT population. There are even suggestions that gender dysphoria might be linked to ASD. I don't know how this piece of information fits into this whole discussion, just wanted to add it in.

I really hope MNHQ sort themselves out over this - because I totally agree that it's all extremely scary!

Moll - so sorry that your DD experienced all of that bullshit and awfulness, poor girl! Glad that she's come through it but I'm so sorry that she's been scared off from her strong position before. for you and her.

Adding support for the op.

Thumb There are even suggestions that gender dysphoria might be linked to ASD.

Not feeling/being sterotypically feminine is apparently common in women with ASD. I have no idea about men on the spectrum.

I'm being investigated for ASD myself, and certainly have always felt to be neither male or female inside (or a blanace of both). I'm a human, with female chromosomes and genitals etc, so I am a woman, as far as I'm concerned. I would not be at all surprised if ASD was much more common in "trans" people, as social policing of gender norms may be absorbed less, as well as a general feeling of feeling "different" to others, leading people down a path of thinking they must be "trans".

blanace? balance

I'm disappointed with that Reddit thread. It's not what I was expecting.

Anyone who cares about this at all, and MNHQ should, should be asking their schools what their policies are. Lots of hidden trinkets are happening without any parental involvement and will continue.

We are in an age where the transchild will be prioritised over girls. Now obviously no one wants any child uncomfortable. But it may well be that your teenage daughter is expected to accept that John is now Janet and can therefore change with the girls.

Acts of Parliament are also being consulted at present. Deciding about public access to women's spaces. Definition of gender, omitting the idea of sex segregation.

This is all happening. Read up. Get moving.

Disabilist threads are allowed to stand and only the most outrageous posts are deleted within those threads. We are faced with gormless excuses when we report them.

And yet you're more than happy to censor and shut down any discussion around TA issues.

Why aren't you as zealous protecting my 4 year old little girl with ASD? So disappointed.

I did research on ASD and bullying, schools are so shit, and 90% of children with ASD are bullied. 60% trans are bullied, which is the same as homosexual kids.

But we don't focus on ASD kids. I was told by a teacher that my ASD child had "lost the room" and it was his fault.

But if he wanted to wear a dress to school I'm sure he'd have loads of protection.

We have been fighting for decades to let girls and boys do/wear/ play with whatever they want but now it seems that society are more willing to accept that the reason girls might not want to play with dolls all day and boys might want to play with dolls is that they are actually trans. Fucking dangerous.

I have asd. If I was a teenager now, I'd think I was trans. This isn't rare, and I am worried for my children because of it.

So we've reached a thousand posts. I wonder how many individual posters and thus how many of us have stood up to say this is ludicrous. Looking forward to mnhq response on this. Very much hope they support us.