Seriously MN this is fucking bullshit.

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Message from MNHQ: We're afraid we felt we had to delete this thread as we feel like it has strayed way outside of our Talk Guidelines. We do regard deliberate, malicious misgendering (as opposed to accidental slip ups) as transphobic. Thank you to everyone who took the time to post thoughtfully here. We understand folks will want to talk more about pronouns and trans issues in general on another thread perhaps - but we would ask that you do so in way that doesn't rehash or repeat this thread. Thanks.&Message from MNHQ: We're afraid we felt we had to delete this thread as we feel like it has strayed way outside of our Talk Guidelines. We do regard deliberate, malicious misgendering (as opposed to accidental slip ups) as transphobic. Thank you to everyone who took the time to post thoughtfully here. We understand folks will want to talk more about pronouns and trans issues in general on another thread perhaps - but we would ask that you do so in way that doesn't rehash or repeat this thread. Thanks.

ONE poster wanted to discuss pronouns and they won. A thread about women being shut down by transactivists was shut down by a ta.

Fucking brilliant.

AND FOR THE RECORD THE PERSON'S PRONOUNS ARE 'THEY'

A vile misogynist was "misgendered" be being called he, because we can not even discuss who is doing this.. It is he's. It is men.

they was not even a thing 5 years ago. If I today demanded my pronouns be "Vagina owner" would everyone have to respect that?

No, I am not saying that stating that the person is a man is the same as islamophobia. I am saying that MN has a rule, for both islamophobia and this pronoun issue, and they aren't going to get into debates about the pecking order of any those things on their list.

I agree OP. People just need to get real. Not long ago Germaine Greer was criticised for refusing to agree that a transgender man was a woman. He/she......they......are NOT a woman. It is still perfectly possible to offer support/counter prejudice etc whilst still being realistic that he:she/they is NOT A WOMAN. As an actual woman this arrogance really pisses me off!

penny of course it's real life, just go and ask Edinburgh Uni student lesbians who are being coerced into sex with men.

You should respect a person's desired pronouns because trampling all over them to make a nasty point is just pissing all over the pronouns of every other trans person

No one is making a nasty point, merely discussing the actions of a nasty person. You should have RTFT on previous thread

Totally agree with you OP. VERY SAD.

"They" is grammatically incorrect as a singular pronoun. I don't care who wants to be called it, I'm not going to use it. And until it's common usage and therefore no longer incorrect grammar, I don't see why I should. I am aware of all the reasons why it's become a fashionable gender-neutral pronoun, but right at the moment it still remains incorrect English, so I don't see where MN get to dictate who should use it.

I don't get to decide that I'm going to repurpose a bit of grammar and then police who gets to use it. Why should that be enforced by MN in this case because there's an activist agenda attached to it?

I think it's dangerous to even discuss this type of shit, because it then becomes a real 'issue'. It's ludicrous.

What's the name of that new planet they found today? I'm going to live there. Alone.

Is anyone else sick of having their sex appropriated? We don't stand for cultural appropriation for goods reasons, why should women stand for this?

No the message is - roll over and be good nice women, don't upset people with your wild views and need for liberation.

May as well turn the fucking clock back 100 years

If we can't say that a man did this though. If we say a woman did this doesn't that somewhat white wash male misogyny toward women?

I so wish you could have taken a deep breath and been a bit more articulate and explained in more detail to everyone who didn't see the thread, op.

Bit confusing. Is this about a man, who doesn't like women, asking not to be referred to as 'he'?

" "They" is grammatically incorrect as a singular pronoun. "

In fact it is used increasingly and has been for years.

Anyway whoever this Ada person is, they are a complete tosser, just look at their silly face....

I think it is outrageous for women to be silenced in their discussion of the trans issue.

Is it a bit better that the person wants to be referred to as 'they' rather than 'she'?

Why is this thread in Chat?

Quack quack the pronoun thing is a smokescreen that deflects from the real issue.
If someone wants to be called he , she , they or it, I will oblige, out of courtesy. But this is not really the issue is it?

Christ almighty I feel like I've entered some sort of hellish Orwellian nightmare recently. We are under attack, women that is. I am so, so disappointed in MN and MNHQ in particular.

I agree OP.

It's absolute bullshit. Silencing bullshit.

Sorry Lilac.

It is actually about the way transactivist LGBT representative shut down a lesbian and bullied her for a year at her school and then only eventually lost his job because he said he wants all police to die (or something). But we have to pretend he is not a man (he is a woman with they pronouns ) and there is nothing to see here.

And that even the fucking deletion notice was not about women or lesbians but about pronouns.

user yes, it's been used (and I too use it) in informal spoken English for years.

It still remains grammatically incorrect, however, particularly in written English.

This thread will be deleted soon for 'wilful misgendering'.

I would just like to add that from now on I identify as Empress of the World, and anyone addressing me as anything other than 'Exalted One' will be reported for hate speech.

Completely agree, OP. I am sick of this, completely bloody sick of it. Never thought I'd see MN silencing women like this. It's like Et tu, MNHQ?

and the MN stance on pronouns is so mealy mouthed, sorry.

"Is it really an issue for women if someone wants to be referred to as 'they'?"

Yes, I think it is.

I think it's an act of submission, to pander to a man's demands that we accept that he can be female one minute, male the next and "non-binary" the next, just because he feels like it (without ever defining what any of t these terms actually mean).

I mean, if the man was nice and a reasonably Good Egg, in personal relationships, I would pander, out of kindness; because I am a woman and I have been socialised to be kind and considerate of someone's feelings, particularly if that someone has a penis and XY chromosomes.

But politically and in public discourse, women being forced to parrot unreality, is fucking Kafkaesque. It's like something out of the Handmaid's Tale. Being forced to refer to people like Ada Wells, Alex Thingummy with a beard and nice scarves and Danielle Muscato, as "she" is an act of real domination by male supremacists.

It is not just a polite nice thing to do. It has massive connotations for society's acceptance of reality. it has massive political implications for women, if any man anywhere, can force us to pretend he's a woman, just because he says so and if we don't we can be fined (in New York state), banned (from social media) and no-platformed from universities and other open forums.

Yes, it sounds petty before you think properly about it, but it really is an issue for women. IMO.

As the Exalted one says, it probably will.

I must be old because when I was taught English 1 person was either "he" or "she". "They" is used to describe more than one person. There are only 2 sexes, male and female.
I really don't understand what's going on nowadays, and I've never heard of half of these new terms. It doesn't make grammatical sense to refer to 1 person as 'they' and seeing such bad grammar really makes me quite twitchy.

I've never heard of this person, but anyone referring to someone else as c*scum is really quite vile and there's no excuse for it.