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Rape myths thread in gransnet

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YonicScrewdriver · 03/09/2015 08:28

Hi MNHQ, can you ask the GNHQ bods to look at this thread? Thank you!

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1218612-Can-a-drunk-woman-give-consent?pg=2

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Simatmum · 03/09/2015 09:41

That's a good way to illustrate the issue. Hope to see it on the Gransnet thread.

Trisagion · 03/09/2015 09:42

Not generational. A whole heap of sensible women have left GN because of a few bigots like these.
Come on mumsnetters, get over there and reeducate them

Toughasoldboots · 03/09/2015 09:42

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BertrandRussell · 03/09/2015 09:43

"What a bunch of stupid women. I would be ashamed to know women like that in rl"

But you do. Loads of people think like this.

Simatmum · 03/09/2015 09:44

Please don't lump all Gransnetters together as stupid. We're all individuals with our own opinions. Come over and join the discussion.

Toughasoldboots · 03/09/2015 09:44

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MorrisZapp · 03/09/2015 09:44

Fuck me. The animal kingdom??? I'd expect to see comments like that on jezzerclarkson.com, not a supportive site for women.

Get a grip, grans.

StanSmithsChin · 03/09/2015 09:47

Not the ones I associate with Bert and if they do hold those views they do not express them to me. The women in my life or at least those close to me sadly have a good understanding of rape and after what happened to me so they wouldn't hold those kind of opinions.

lotsofdogshere · 03/09/2015 09:48

Can some of you join gransnet and contribute to the thread? Go on, it's always livened things up when mums netters arrive

StanSmithsChin · 03/09/2015 09:51

I am trying but it won't let me.

BertrandRussell · 03/09/2015 09:54

""Bloody hell I was only asking."

Yeah, well, a few moment's thought might have brought, for example, the supporters of Ched Evans to mind. And a few more moments might have causes you to recall one or two feminists over the age of 25...........

Toughasoldboots · 03/09/2015 09:59

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StanSmithsChin · 03/09/2015 10:02

I think we broke gransnet!

BoreOfWhabylon · 03/09/2015 10:04

I know Stan - I just tried to sign up and Gransnet is aaaaall gone! Shock

BaronessEllaSaturday · 03/09/2015 10:04

I can't even view the thread anymore it is saying connection denied?

I did notice before we broke it that they were quoting no means no in regards to rape rather than the more correct phrase of yes means yes it might help them to understand a bit more.

Backforthis · 03/09/2015 10:06

Oops.

BetaTest · 03/09/2015 10:06

That thread is grim reading. Some good posts but really you have to think what verdict a jury composed of a cross section of that thread contributors would come to in many rape cases.

The biggest misconception on the thread is that rape only really is rape where a man uses force (ie archetypal jumps out of a bush and grabs a woman). On the other hand a man led on by a woman in sexy clothes who is a bit drunk and being quite flirty with him can lead him to such a state of arousal that he just cant stop himself and sort of loses his mind so he 'commits sex with her' but that isn't really a rape. I am a man and that is so wrong and such a foul description of male sexuality I don't know where to start.

Yes when I was young and single and a bit drunk myself with girls that were also young and single and a bit drunk there was of course a certain amount of flirting and sexual attraction but oddly I didn't lose my mind. Men do not lose their mind even when drunk. They do not force women to have sex. They don't. They just don't. Rapists force women to have sex or take advantage of them when they cant give consent. It involves abuse, domination and power and it does not happen by accident. It is always premeditated. A man cant rape someone by accident.

BertrandRussell · 03/09/2015 10:09

"Bertrand, you are starting to really piss me off with your rudeness,"

Good. Because suggesting that older women are rape apologists really pissed me off. Which is what you did.

StanSmithsChin · 03/09/2015 10:09

Maybe MNHQ could post a link over there for the we believe you campaigne.....when they get it working again.

redshoeblueshoe · 03/09/2015 10:09

Certainly not a generational thing. I am a gp and I now need to bleach my eyes.
I do shamefully know a young couple who think CE is innocent and they feel sorry for him Angry Sad

BoreOfWhabylon · 03/09/2015 10:09

Tough I don't think it's a generational thing per se , more a life experience thing. If you are surrounded by the same people with the same views and those views are never challenged then you are likely to continue to hold those views.

That's why I think it's good that GN is having the discussion.

suzannefollowmyvan · 03/09/2015 10:09

thanks Beta, great post, really helpfull to read :)
could somone post a link to this thread on the GN thread?

Simatmum · 03/09/2015 10:13

Those of us in our 60s and 70s who were those feisty bra-burning activist feminists before the advent of the Sex Discrimination Act sometimes feel disappointed that wonen in their 20s and 30s don't all react as strongly to men's mistreatment of women. Discussions like this highlight that feminism isn't important to some women, no matter what their age. Still some way to go, isn't there?

StanSmithsChin · 03/09/2015 10:13

Bert she didn't suggest that be fair she asked if. That is a question and the simple answer would have been no. I know this is an emotive subject but educating people has better results when their questions are answered without such vitriol.