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Rape myths thread in gransnet

126 replies

YonicScrewdriver · 03/09/2015 08:28

Hi MNHQ, can you ask the GNHQ bods to look at this thread? Thank you!

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1218612-Can-a-drunk-woman-give-consent?pg=2

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DonkeyOaty · 03/09/2015 08:55

clicky link

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BeccaMumsnet · 03/09/2015 09:01

Hi both - thanks so much for flagging this. We'll send this over to GNHQ.

CurbsideProphet · 03/09/2015 09:06

"some women only have themselves to blame"

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That is an horrendous statement to make.

YouBastardSockBalls · 03/09/2015 09:11

Christ Shock

SaveOurBogBrushes · 03/09/2015 09:11

Oh my goodness that thread is horrific.

MakStout · 03/09/2015 09:12

I wish i hadnt read that Sad

SaveOurBogBrushes · 03/09/2015 09:12

"Oven-ready she is asking for trouble". Wow.

Toughasoldboots · 03/09/2015 09:15

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YonicScrewdriver · 03/09/2015 09:17

Sorry to those who have been distressed.

I don't think it's generational as some posters are condemning the rape myths.

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suzannefollowmyvan · 03/09/2015 09:17

horrified that some women really still think like that :(

BoreOfWhabylon · 03/09/2015 09:19

There seems to be several GNers on the thread who are challenging, and hopefully educating, those buying into rape myth though.

That's got to be a good thing.

I hope GN don't pull the thread.

suzannefollowmyvan · 03/09/2015 09:19

and all those analogies with animal behaviour
ffsAngry

BoreOfWhabylon · 03/09/2015 09:21

Not a generational thing (I'm old enough for Gransnet).

StanSmithsChin · 03/09/2015 09:21

FFS that is one sick thread. The posters should be utterly ashamed of themselves. Rape is always the rapists fault. No buts, no esxcuses always the rapist to blame.

YouBastardSockBalls · 03/09/2015 09:23

Can someone link them to the rape - tea analogy for consent? They might relate to that.

It is shocking, but sadly not unbelievable as there are LOADS of idiots with these views.

Stupid cunts.

Simatmum · 03/09/2015 09:23

Thanks for noticing. Please do come over and join the debate - I don't think it is a generational thing as I hear these misguided views from younger women. Very disappointed with Chrissie Hyndes for saying she thought she brought it on herself. Thankfully, most of the Gransnetters who have posted on that thread don't hold such views and are confident about their right not to be attacked!

BertrandRussell · 03/09/2015 09:25

"Is this a generational thing as I know my older women relatives talk like this? angry"

No it is not a fucking "generational thing"!

StanSmithsChin · 03/09/2015 09:26

Stupid cunts.

Never a more apt comment on a thread.

suzannefollowmyvan · 03/09/2015 09:28

I am not sure that they will make any headway Bore, there is particular stance that you see sometimes in women, where 'immoral' women are condemned by 'good' women.
There's a 'serves you right' attitude directed at women who suffer at the hands of men?, as if they are pleased to see women whose behavior they disprove of getting their just desertsSad

BlueBananas · 03/09/2015 09:28

YouBastard what's the tea analogy?

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YonicScrewdriver · 03/09/2015 09:31

rockstardinosaurpirateprincess.com/2015/03/02/consent-not-actually-that-complicated/

Tea avalogy.

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lotsofdogshere · 03/09/2015 09:31

Thanks so much you mumsnet women for picking up on the shocking comments being made on the gransnet rape thread. It isn't the first time this issue has been discussed over there, with similar results. I don't believe it's a "generational thing", any more than I believe "it was a different world back then, all men groped all women"

YouBastardSockBalls · 03/09/2015 09:34

Consent. It’s a powerful word that, for some bizarre reason, is still argued about to this day. It seems many people still don’t really get what “consent” means

If you’re still struggling, just imagine instead of initiating sex, you’re making them a cup of tea.

You say, “Hey, would you like a cup of tea?” and they go, “OMG, fck yes, I would fcking LOVE a cup of tea! Thank you!” Then you know they want a cup of tea.

If you say, “Hey, would you like a cup of tea?” and they um and ahh and say, “I’m not really sure…” then you can make them a cup of tea or not, but be aware that they might not drink it, and if they don’t drink it then — this is the important bit — don’t make them drink it. You can’t blame them for you going to the effort of making the tea on the off chance they wanted it; you just have to deal with them not drinking it. Just because you made it doesn’t mean you are entitled to watch them drink it.

If they say, “No, thank you,” then don’t make them tea. At all. Don’t make them tea, don’t make them drink tea, don’t get annoyed at them for not wanting tea. They just don’t want tea, okay?

They might say, “Yes, please, that’s kind of you,” and then when the tea arrives they actually don’t want the tea at all. Sure, that’s kind of annoying as you’ve gone to the effort of making the tea, but they remain under no obligation to drink the tea. They did want tea, now they don’t. Sometimes people change their mind in the time it takes to boil that kettle, brew the tea and add the milk. And it’s okay for people to change their mind, and you are still not entitled to watch them drink it even though you went to the trouble of making it.

If they are unconscious, don’t make them tea. Unconscious people don’t want tea and can’t answer the question, “Do you want tea?” because they are unconscious.

Okay, maybe they were conscious when you asked them if they wanted tea, and they said yes, but in the time it took you to boil that kettle, brew the tea and add the milk they are now unconscious. You should just put the tea down, make sure the unconscious person is safe, and — this is the important bit — don’t make them drink the tea.

If someone said yes to tea, started drinking it and then passed out before they’d finished it, don’t keep on pouring it down their throat.

If someone said yes to tea, started drinking it and then passed out before they’d finished it, don’t keep on pouring it down their throat. Take the tea away and make sure they are safe. Because unconscious people don’t want tea. Trust me on this.

If someone said “yes” to tea around your house last Saturday, that doesn’t mean that they want you to make them tea all the time. They don’t want you to come around unexpectedly to their place and make them tea and force them to drink it going, “BUT YOU WANTED TEA LAST WEEK,” or to wake up to find you pouring tea down their throat going “BUT YOU WANTED TEA LAST NIGHT.”

And that’s how you do that. The genius of this metaphor basically exposes everything — EVERYTHING! — that’s wrong with the unevolved dinosaurs who think the issue of consent is a complicated one. It’s not. It’s tea. Freakin’ brilliant.

Bonus? It also works on kids. Just replace tea with ice cream. Though we suppose that works for adults, too.

There you are.

StanSmithsChin · 03/09/2015 09:35

I am trying to join gent but it won't let me. I am very angry and equally frustrated. What a bunch of stupid women. I would be ashamed to know women like that in rl.

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