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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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SuffolkNWhat · 20/08/2015 09:26

Welcome to Mumsnet XxcharlxX

ScrambledSmegs · 20/08/2015 09:28

Can I ask a quick q? Those who think/know people are trying to get into their accounts? How do you know?

I'm guessing you're being notified about attempted logins from unauthorised devices? Or am I way off beam?

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 09:29

Thanks SuffolkNWhat

StormyBrid · 20/08/2015 09:30

The initial email telling people to reset passwords yesterday afternoon, that many people said didn't arrive - I thought it had reached my inbox at midnight last night. Just checked. It's from and the password reset link in it redirects to mumsnet.cmail2.com/t/d-l-jyhytrl-irhhuiuhy-y

They're still phishing.

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 09:30

Usually get a email informing you of someone trying to get into your account using a different computer

LoveandMonsters · 20/08/2015 09:31

^No I wasn't. But thats not to say they don't have our data!*

Totally - my thoughts exactly.

Lavenderice · 20/08/2015 09:31

I've still not been forced out on iPhone and iPad, both using Safari or my laptop on Chrome.

Arkkorox · 20/08/2015 09:31

Mine came up with a login failed please enter your password box then the normal iTunes password boxes about 8 times after that without me being anywhere near the App Store or iTunes which is when it normaly pops up

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 09:36

Looks like there now targeting users on mums net grr when will this stop?

Dothetwist · 20/08/2015 09:37

THOSE OF YOU SPEAKING ABOUT PHONES

are you with carphone warehouse? As I've just logged into my banking and this warning as has come up..

Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read
Arkkorox · 20/08/2015 09:38

XxcharlxX what have they done?

SuffolkNWhat · 20/08/2015 09:40

Yes Charls what have you they done?

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 09:43

the hackers are a pain in the backside with this howl hacking business, I feel for admin on mums net hard times but we must not let them win

LoopyLily · 20/08/2015 09:44

XxCharlxX yes they are but you can spot them from a mile .......

98percentchocolate · 20/08/2015 09:44

Arkkorox - do you have iCloud on? I did something with my iCloud settings a while ago that caused that to happen (still happening a million times a day). Could be that but maybe change your pw just in case? I saw the list and I'm pretty sure it is an old pw listed (possibly pre- heartbleed though I think I changed a few weeks ago). Don't know if that helps mnhq?
Definitely don't want Mumsnet to fold, what the hell would I do all day?? BUT, would it not make more sense to take it offline for a day or two so that mnhq can work without having to trawl through all of our posts, Pms, etc? Especially if it helps keep the site online long term? Nobody wants it gone for good, especially since it is a life line to so many. I personally got lots of support when I had PND and was suicidal. I honestly think that without mumsnetters I wouldn't be here today.

On another note, has this forced anyone else to finally admit to their Mumsnet addiction? Grin

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 09:45

Pleople are reporting people trying to acsess there other accounts iTunes etc may not be the same think thousands (might of jumped to conclusions too soon sorry)

Quills · 20/08/2015 09:45

Good spot StormyBrid - my email came from [email protected], so I think you're definitely right in saying that was a phishing attempt. Were you on the original list, and have you reported your post to MNHQ so they can check it out?

XxCharlxX, what makes you think they've hacked you?

iamaboveandBeyond · 20/08/2015 09:45

indeed.

Dothetwist · 20/08/2015 09:46

loopy you can indeed

98percentchocolate · 20/08/2015 09:48

Loopy Grin

SuffolkNWhat · 20/08/2015 09:48

Loopy Grin Wink

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 09:48

Sorted now cup of tea and a fag now got carm bliss

StephanieBeacham · 20/08/2015 09:48

XxCharlxX Thu 20-Aug-15 09:22:23

Admin if you need any help let us all know,
We will not let mums net gone down without a fight think we need to know we're these sick indavirals are doing this from and kick there arses
Mumnet forever let admin know we are all behind them and we won't let them win

If you're new here why the fuck do you care?

LoopyLily · 20/08/2015 09:50
Grin
Arkkorox · 20/08/2015 09:50

Either you're really shit at having a fake account or you're just that fucking stupid.