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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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StephanieBeacham · 20/08/2015 08:54

Sending the boys round now.

Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read
GloGirl · 20/08/2015 08:55

Not forced out on Mobile Site - android phone Chrome browser.

I'm a bit reluctant to change my password incase 'the force' catches up with me and I have to change it again and I won't have any hope of remembering it Confused

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 08:58

Wish I could still remember how to make virus be fun to send one to them see what it's like coming back at them

PermetsTu · 20/08/2015 08:58

Morning Rebecca. Smile

I have nothing useful to add btw. You must be exhausted. Chin up.

Shall I start a P&C parking ding dong to make it feel like a normal Thursday?

GiddyGiddyGoat · 20/08/2015 08:59

A few moments ago the padlock thingy on the log in page was showing 'certificate ? by DadSecurity" when cursor hoverred over the padlock symbol??!!

OutToGetYou · 20/08/2015 09:01

Well, I redid my username and password last night and the new parameters were showing then, hours before MNHQ mentioned them.

I didn't know they were 'new' as I couldn't recall what they were before.

But that was about 8pm. Messages came after that about a new enforced change and I've not been forced out or made to change password again since then.

Rebecca asked what devices we are on - laptop on W8.1 and phone on Android.

Considering how MN seem to think the details were harvested 'strength' of passwords is surely irrelevant and just wasting the time of the Techs who could be being used in other areas to sort all this out?

Arkkorox · 20/08/2015 09:01

XxcharlxX You're not on the list

98percentchocolate · 20/08/2015 09:01

Wondered if that was another DDOS.
MNHQ can you please consider taking the site offline for a couple of days? I know it may be costly, but I'm seriously considering de-registering and my Facebook feed is full of people saying the same.
They obviously aren't going to stop until the site has gone and I for one am a little nervous at what they may do next. Nobody wants to give them the satisfaction of thinking they've won, but I think you need to let them have their moment to keep our data safe.

goblindoor · 20/08/2015 09:01

Looks like something horrible is happening right now.

Dothetwist · 20/08/2015 09:01

Let's hope that the second dump is the end.

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 09:02

Right revenge it is

Arkkorox · 20/08/2015 09:02

Giddy !!!! Shock

EarlyNewDawn · 20/08/2015 09:03

I'm half expecting them to be stealing the new passwords as we make them...

Dothetwist · 20/08/2015 09:03

jessicamumsnet

Is there no way of checking all databases and systems for large data transfers?
As surely the data the hackers are taking are being transferred onto their systems so this would be able to be seen?

GiddyGiddyGoat · 20/08/2015 09:04

This is copied from what shows under "connection" under the padlock symbol on the "my account" page - the padlock symbol was yellow and above this it said connection to www.mumsnet .com was private... What the f?

"The identity of this website has been verified by Go Daddy Secure Certificate Authority - G2. No Certificate Transparency information was supplied by the server."

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 09:04

Looks like there still at it why aren't the police round there arresting them?

98percentchocolate · 20/08/2015 09:04

Early - same here. Not getting too attached to my password!

Arkkorox · 20/08/2015 09:05

goblin what do you mean?

Freeandsinglewater · 20/08/2015 09:05

I hope the police got who ever Was responsible.

DontTellThePrincessBride · 20/08/2015 09:05

If they're not in the UK then they can't, it all gets a bit murky once it goes international.

YonicScrewdriver · 20/08/2015 09:06

Strong passwords are not proof against phishing but are useful for other attacks eg automated pwd generators that run through the dictionary. Usernames on Mn are public so the pwd is your line of defence.

StephanieBeacham · 20/08/2015 09:06

I've reported your posts Giddy hoping they will see what you have said.

howtorebuild · 20/08/2015 09:07

I guess you haven't needed Police assistance? I doubt they are doing much about this, just looking into the waste of their time side of events.

YonicScrewdriver · 20/08/2015 09:07

Go daddy is NOT the same as dadsec

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 09:07

Shoot think they got my account