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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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TheRealNotSoSlimThrowsShady · 19/08/2015 13:30

Yes, there is that Wink Anyone seen AF this morning?

TheRealNotSoSlimThrowsShady · 19/08/2015 13:31
Wink
TheSpottedZebra · 19/08/2015 13:32

It's probably been asked already, but I can't find it.

Any idea if data from MN insight panel - name, address etc has been accessed?

YetAnotherUserName · 19/08/2015 13:38

I'm not on the list, neither under current username or an old email/username account. I still changed my password for both accounts and I requested to de-register my old account: got an MNHQ email to confirm the de-reg within 30 mins. Hope that was all kosher.

Whether you're on the hacked list or not, please do change your password. Don't know enough about MN's systems, but I assume they're doing the best they can, so thanks Brew

Fiderer · 19/08/2015 13:43

Maryz I haven't logged in using my password or the login page for more than a month and I'm on the list.

Did you ever have to just click "Log In"? I just asked DavidTech this on the Technical thread:

I'm on the list also and didn't have to type in my password in the last 10 days. The page said Log In but the info was already there. I just got Fiderer / password ........ and then clicked log in. Is that also phishing?

And he said yes.

TPel · 19/08/2015 13:51

I wasn't on the list but have name changed and password changed just to be sure.

I'm getting used to my new persona and quite liking it.

Girlinthefireplace · 19/08/2015 13:51

I thought that the log on info already being there was down to cookies and autofil?

QueenOfTheShale · 19/08/2015 13:51

Hello. I have emailed MNHQ to ask that my previous reg to be dereg. I have created a new one as I was on the list.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 19/08/2015 14:01

Fuckity fuckity crap crap.

How at risk does this put us in terms of allowed / drawing attention to us and doing other hacking stuff? Eg social media accounts, email stuff etc?

I am glad in a way to see its 3000 accounts as Jeffrey edited my posts so was worried about being singled out - but seems not?

Anyone know how to get into the website to check what info they have? Really would help...

TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 14:02

@Maryz

I'm sure you will all be delighted to know or maybe not that after being locked out since last night I'm now back Grin

Glad this is sorted - rest assured the lock out was nOT deliberate.

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Maryz · 19/08/2015 14:07

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UhtredOfBebbanburg · 19/08/2015 14:08

I've just received an email purporting to come from mumsnet with essentially the info at the head of this and the previous threads, exhorting me to change my password etc. the email was sent to an email address I haven't used for years. I don't believe I've ever used it on MN but I suppose I might have done 7 or so years ago. Briefly. Is this email likely to be genuine? I changed my password yesterday and none of my previous user names or passwords are on the list.

BrumpyGollocks · 19/08/2015 14:09

Welcome back Maryz!

Fiderer · 19/08/2015 14:11

Maryz That's v odd then. You didn't type in your password, didn't get the log in page as I did, yet you're still on the list. Without phishing it seems.

Glad you're back anyway Grin

AndDeepBreath · 19/08/2015 14:15

Obviously have changed password, so not panicking of course, but I still haven't had any emails at all from Mumsnet, not in junk mail either... Is it all still going through the system do you think?

howtorebuild · 19/08/2015 14:17

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Girlinthefireplace · 19/08/2015 14:19

MNHQ - can you please advise why we can't have special characters in our password?

Sonnet · 19/08/2015 14:24

I had an email from you this morning - can you confirm this was from you please?

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 14:25

@ExitPursuedByABear

I am sure this has been already asked several times but

WHY?

Why would someone do that? What were they hoping to gain?

Twats

That we don't know, Exit. There's a suggestion in some places online (places you really don't want to visit, trust me) that it's down to MN's reputation as a safe space for women/website with a feminist bent, but the hacker himself hasn't explicitly confirmed that AFAIK.

fearisdarkness · 19/08/2015 14:29

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LimeJellyforBrains · 19/08/2015 14:29

GirlintheFireplace I have always had a special character in my password. I have included one in my new (reset) password, so not sure what's going on there. Maybe it depends how "special" it is? Mine was a percentage sign.

FishOn · 19/08/2015 14:30

I got an email, am on the list

I password changed yesterday, and name changed and password changed again today.

is there any point in de-reging completely, if i'm just going to use the same email address to re-reg??

FlipWreck · 19/08/2015 14:31

Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I can't read through all of the previous posts and threads. Re the hacker being able to see inboxes. I'm not on the list, but I am concerned about PMs that I've sent, that are still in other users' inboxes. I sent my personal details to quite a few other users last year (World Cup sticker swapping), so if they haven't deleted those PMs and have been hacked, presumably the hacker could have access to my details. I can't be the only person in that situation, I bet there's hundreds of users who have PM'd private info and details to others, and even if I delete my sent messages, they'll still appear in the recipients' inbox.

Is there anything MN can do, e.g. delete all PMs that are more than a few weeks old?

noblegiraffe · 19/08/2015 14:32

Could a new list of hacked accounts and passwords have been mixed with some old accounts and passwords that were posted at the time of Heartbleed? Beef up the list and throw tech off the scent of when they were accessed? That would account for deceased users and old usernames?